Comments Thread For: Wilder, Fury, Joshua: Big Three Playing Heavyweight Roulette

[LoadedWraps]

Klitschko vs. Wilder was going to happen in 2016. The only thing that messed it up was Klitschko losing unexpectedly in 2015.

Hearn did it after the loss and long layoff. UK fans are more dedicated than US fans. After the loss, there wasn't massive money in a Klitschko vs. Wilder fight anymore, whereas Klitschko vs. Joshua was still a huge fight.

You can't hold that against Wilder. Not his fault Klitscho lost the same year he won his belt. Didn't really give Wilder much time to unify, especially considering Klitschko's April fight was signed before Wilder even won his title.

Losing unexpectedly? You must have been one of those casual idiots who actually thought Fury deserved to be an underdog in that fight. Fury was the right choice going in, and anyone who was here and tried to argue Wlad was going to beat him caught hell from me before, and well after the fight.

You don't favor fighters over Fury, similarly how you don't favor fighters over Floyd. I did twice, and was wrong but those two fights were the closest he came to losing, they are universally considered 2 of his 3 hardest fights.

Unlike Floyd who had to deal with many elite fighters in his division, Fury has to deal with zero. Wilder is terrible, and AJ is a worse version of Danny Garcia at HW: boring, slow, no elite skillset, just does enough to get by. No amount of money or fans changes skill or talent, or heart. There is no reason to ever favor any other HW against Fury. There is no argument for it. Especially after we have seen Fury shake off Wilders best shots, not that I needed to see it, I've been calling him the greatest in the division since the Chisora II fight, and I have yet to be proven wrong.

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Losing unexpectedly? You must have been one of those casual idiots who actually thought Fury deserved to be an underdog in that fight.

Never offered my thoughts on the fight. Klitschko was the betting favorite. The majority believed he would win. If you were convinced he would lose, show us your betting slip.

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You're twisting Finkel's words to suit your own narrative. Klitschko was the champion at the time Finkel made that statement. If Wilder and his team had any real intention of unifying then you can be damn sure that they wouldn't have been so mealy-mouthed about it.

I'm not twisting anything. You found a public quote that was similar to what Finkel was saying privately and then tried to act like his public statements were wildly different than his private statements.

What would you have liked Finkel to say? He needed to get Klitschko through the end of his HBO deal so he could bring Klitschko to Showtime for a potential trilogy with Wilder. You really expected him to say, "Wilder is very unskilled and needs a couple more defenses while we wait for Wladimir's HBO contract to expire. Then all the mandatories will be clear and they can fight each other over and over while I hog all the belts and make sure I have a monopoly on the heavyweight division for two years straight."

[Laligalaliga]

I have no problem with it, but what does that have to do with anything? He didn't want to be locked into dazn where Joshua could negotiate his wage based on what Wilder was getting. He getting similar payment from Showtime and can still fight a big fight anywhere. "AJ a free agent doe" too, why don't he try to get the fight on Showtime?

AJ is locked down to matchroom and sky, dnt pretend like a sisi.
Wilder has always and publicly claim hez a free agent but can't fight outside showtime even with the vault of bank of America giving to him.

I have said before and I will repeat it again, wilder is locked down with show and can't fight outside showtime for that maximum protection he gets.

Wilder is getting nothing close to 10mil for this Breazeale fight on showtime, leaving close to 15mil on the table for fear of fighting outside showtime.

[Laligalaliga]

I didn't go into why your argument was weak for the same reason that I don't argue with flat-earthers; it's a waste of everybody's time. But since you insist...

Firstly, your point is predicated on Finkel saying

"he wanted Wilder to make two quick defenses before turning his sights to Klitschko."

I haven't ever seen this quote you refer to. The closest I can get to it is this

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-not-rushed-klitschko-says-finkel--86714

which is a far cry from what you suggest (above) - As far as I can see you're basing an argument on an inaccurate premise which is a fundamental failure of logic. I'll happily concede this point if you can find a credible source for your quote. If so then please find it and link it, if not your argument crumbles at the very first hurdle.

Secondly, and perhaps more tellingly, refer back to what I've already said

One of them talked about it and one of them did it...

You don't get credit from the people who matter in this game, or in life, by talking about things without backing that talk up; because we all know there are a lot of BS artists out there and unless you back up your talk then you're probably one of them.

Since you mention the irrefutable nature of calendars: consider that Deontay Wilder has been pro for 4 years and 11 months longer than Anthony Joshua and at the point Joshua fought Klitschko had 20 more fights on his record - they took up boxing at roughly the same age.

Joshua fought and beat Klitschko. Wilder hasn't ever even ducked Klitschko because he never got close to fighting him.

The result of this is that Anthony Joshua is the no1 ranked heavyweight in the world (according to Ring Magazine & boxrec - which are considered the two most credible sources on such matters). Wilder and his team allowed that to happen by sitting on their hands as Joshua collected the belts. Now they're playing catchup and frankly getting laughed at as they make unrealistic demands for a 50-50 split which the whole world can see they don't deserve. You're trying to say that this is the result of Wilder being so terribly unfortunate that he allowed a far less experienced fighter to come overtake him?

It reads like fangirl logic. Pussy logic. Wilder and his team allowed Joshua to overtake them. Meekly. That's what happens when you have a hungry competitor and an also-ran competing in the same race. Now Wilder seems to be trying to sell his WBC belt and is getting shit on in comments sections all over the internet.

You also wrote this:

"UK fans are more dedicated than US fans. After the loss, there wasn't massive money in a Klitschko vs. Wilder fight anymore, whereas Klitschko vs. Joshua was still a huge fight."

.... since when has Wilder been concerned about 'massive money'? Wider has never made anything even approaching 'massive money' and just turned down $100m because of "loyalty". He has frequently talked about "one face, one name, one champion" yet he turns down his best opportunity to actually achieve this. So that's a feeble point to try to make.

Further to this, when have you ever known the UK to be the considered the land of "massive money" in boxing?... Let me answer that for you: never. I've seen you yourself argue that Wilder was right not to take any Joshua fight in the UK because he could make far more money in the States; because Vegas tickets provide far more revenue than Wembley seats and US PPV is more expensive than UK PPV. But now you're telling me that the UK is some fabled land of 'huge fights'. Poor Wilder, huh? If only he was in the biggest boxing market in the world... oh wait, he is.

...

So yeah, bruh, basically your argument sucks.

Beautiful, excellent point.
Your points and writing skills is amazing.
WBC IBF WBA guy is always spreading wrong information and casuals to believe it's a fact.

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[Redgloveman]

Beautiful, excellent point.
Your points and writing skills is amazing.
WBC IBF WBA guy is always spreading wrong information and casuals to believe it's a fact.

Thanks bro, I appreciate it.

[Bronx2245]

Fuey beats every one of those cucks with a hand tied behind his back.

Fury is the A-side now and will continue to be. AJ and Wilder are paper champs, keeping the belts warm until Fury chooses to re-acquire them.

You mean when Fury recovers from PTSD! Fury could've fought either one, and he chose Tom Schwarz! Yeah, nice move for the "A-side" Lineal Champion!

[MC Hammer]

AJ is locked down to matchroom and sky, dnt pretend like a sisi.
Wilder has always and publicly claim hez a free agent but can't fight outside showtime even with the vault of bank of America giving to him.

I have said before and I will repeat it again, wilder is locked down with show and can't fight outside showtime for that maximum protection he gets.

Wilder is getting nothing close to 10mil for this Breazeale fight on showtime, leaving close to 15mil on the table for fear of fighting outside showtime.

Hearn has said the fight can be on Showtime, so stop lying. They have said on boxingscene that Wilder is getting 8 figures for Brezeale and he can STILL go anywhere for the big fights. You can say all you want , but no one is buying it.

[Laligalaliga]

Hearn has said the fight can be on Showtime, so stop lying. They have said on boxingscene that Wilder is getting 8 figures for Brezeale and he can STILL go anywhere for the big fights. You can say all you want , but no one is buying it.

Hahahahahaha.... Finkel got you under his armpit, damn.

If 100mil can't bring you out of showtime as a free agent, you are nothing but a slave.
Am out.