Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder Would Be Criticized Less If People Knew Purse

[Boxing_1013]

All Wilder needs is the Joshua fight; there's a reason why Joshua's management didn't allow for him to be lumped in with Hearn's deal.

The winner of the Wilder-Joshua series is THE PPV star for their run, full stop.

I doubt that the number is $20m, but Showtime is overpaying here as a bet on Wilder being the goods; he beats Joshua and Showtime has their star (with Errol Spence Jr seemingly set to be the PPV star for FOX).

Man I like Spence a lot and Wilder showed a lot to me in that Ortiz fight so I am rooting for him to get some money as well.

But I just don't see either one of those guys becoming a PPV star. They aren't really close to it now and I just don't think the model is the same anymore. Floyd was smart and great and knew how to push buttons, but he also struck lightning with how he was able to pull off his successes imo. That path to Floyd success is not an easy blueprint to follow or even understand.

I don't think Floyd ever really had a lot of 'fans' - not to justify the PPV numbers he was getting anyway; he had most people tuning in to see him lose. Spence just doesn't resonate like that, as great as he is. And Wilder too. He just has never caught on.

I guess we will see but I don't think Spence carries over any of Mikey's fans from that PPV and similar for Wilder if he fought Joshua.

Wilder can play GGG to Joshua's Canelo and get paid, maybe a couple times. And that's what DAZN offered him. GGG is a bigger star than Wilder right now and has basically been a top 5 star in boxing for the last 5 years, but he still needed and still needs the Canelo fight to really make money. Everything else he does pales in comparison.

I think Joshua remains a much bigger star than Wilder win or lose.

[Scipio2009]

So Showtime doesn't know how many people bought the fight in Europe>

Exactly. Showtime sells the rights in each country to a broadcaster, and that broadcaster figures out how to move with the event.

Most broadcasters keep things on regular TV (SuperSport, Polsat, Canal Space, Televisa, etc), some choose PPV (Sky Box Office, Main Event, etc), but that's not Showtime's problem.

They deliver the feed, offer the chance to simply air the Showtime announcing crew, but also have the option of a local crew in each market calling the fight over the feed.

[Boxing_1013]

Deontay Wilder drew more on his debut headlining PPV than Canelo did, and Canelo had the bump of being in with Floyd to goose his number.

You add that he's at heavyweight, with the chance to fight for the undisputed heavyweight championship in his next couple of fights, and the numbers aren't as silly as they'd seem

In my humble opinion, I just don't think that stuff matters as much anymore. I feel if he was going to be a big star, it would be well underway by now, and that's not really where it is.

I just don't see the rationale for him thinking he can make more than $120 million for four fights, 2 with Joshua, and 2 with other guys. I mean that seems like a dream scenario to me for him.

I'm not a fan of his but I have nothing against him either, and I just hope he isn't getting bad advice from friends who are scared they are going to lose their golden goose. These guys risk too much to not get the money when it is offered to them. And taking the DAZN deal would give boxing fans 2 AJ Wilder fights.

I guess we will see how it all plays out. But I don't really see AJ Wilder doing better than Canelo GGG, and Canelo made like $40 million I bet in that fight, and GGG maybe $25 million? I just don't see where Wilder can be paid more than what DAZN is offering.

[Scipio2009]

Yeah, I read that exchange. Espinoza got owned by Hearn

Reason being that he was obviously lying and Hearn was telling the truth.

lol

Or that Hearn got the information from Wilder in email as a memo (will call it 'memo' from here on in), Hearn discussed said 'memo' with Haymon, Hearn presented the details of the 'memo' to Joshua and his camp, Joshua pulled that "Money doesn't matter, I want to fight in the UK" nonsense, and some folks are dumb enough to go with Hearn's noise because the 'memo' that Espinoza knows that Hearn discussed with Haymon wasn't an actual contract yet.

Keep being fooled if you want

[methodcal]

The vast majority of criticism (and indeed a sick level of disordered obsession with council estate chavs who are unemployed and with too much time on their hands) is coming from Europe and specifically the uk where the Joshua-hearn fanbase is. Legions of casual fans who live vicariously through Eddie Hearn are the ones flooding social media with their off meds postings. It’s pathetic, severely disordered....and it makes one feel justified in throwing peanuts at such low intellects. I just cannot fathom the obsession these people have with other men’s finances not the disordered belief that wilder “must” sign with the app Hearn represents and has options with otherwise he is “ducking” when Joshua isn’t even signed with that app and at no time has ever been told he “must” sign with FOX or Showtime to fight wilder

Tupac would be proud of You!!

[Scipio2009]

The fight will get made once Al Haymon and Eddie Hearn make contact with eachother. Until then, you’ll get smokescreens. Haymon would want Showtime PPV to get the US TV Rights and Hearn would want DAZN to get the US TV Rights.

This is the main problem

Eddie Hearn isn't dealing in good faith, and he hasn't since he saw that Wilder had a legit offer for Joshua that was worth more than Hearn could rightly deliver for a Joshua fight in the UK (nevermind Joshua's share of a split).

That's why you'd have to go to Adam Smith (Head of Sports, Sky Sports; low-key have an early 90's WWF situation here, lol).

Adam Smith has Hearn by the balls, so Hearn can't simply disregard him (and jeopardize his main UK business) on the chance launching in the US (doubt that the DAZN deal is guaranteed, tbh).

Haymon having the relationship with ITV steps on things a bit, but there's enough Showtime talent, in my opinion, to sweeten the deal (Haymon is the plug for most of it, but one could rightly say that Wilder, Floyd (and by extension Mayweather Promotions; Davis, Andrew Tabiti, Badou Jack to an extent, and Floyd's young fighters near breaking through; 'Memphis' Miller, Juan Heraldez, etc), Mikey Garcia, Devin Haney, 'Boots' Ennis, Claressa Shields, etc are marked for Showtime).

In a similar way to how Les Moonves stepped in to seal Mayweather-Pacquiao.

[Scipio2009]

Either refute the points or accept your idiocy. Don't try derailment tactics.

So you are from the UK; good to know

[Scipio2009]

Wilder's own words are making him look bad to be honest

^^^^How so?

[Scipio2009]

Man I like Spence a lot and Wilder showed a lot to me in that Ortiz fight so I am rooting for him to get some money as well.

But I just don't see either one of those guys becoming a PPV star. They aren't really close to it now and I just don't think the model is the same anymore. Floyd was smart and great and knew how to push buttons, but he also struck lightning with how he was able to pull off his successes imo. That path to Floyd success is not an easy blueprint to follow or even understand.

I don't think Floyd ever really had a lot of 'fans' - not to justify the PPV numbers he was getting anyway; he had most people tuning in to see him lose. Spence just doesn't resonate like that, as great as he is. And Wilder too. He just has never caught on.

I guess we will see but I don't think Spence carries over any of Mikey's fans from that PPV and similar for Wilder if he fought Joshua.

Wilder can play GGG to Joshua's Canelo and get paid, maybe a couple times. And that's what DAZN offered him. GGG is a bigger star than Wilder right now and has basically been a top 5 star in boxing for the last 5 years, but he still needed and still needs the Canelo fight to really make money. Everything else he does pales in comparison.

I think Joshua remains a much bigger star than Wilder win or lose.

Both guys made money on their debut PPV events, and that's before really setting the stage for stardom (Wilder getting all of the heavyweight belts; Spence cleaning up the Pacquiao/Thurman/Porter/Danny picture for the WBC/WBA/IBF 147lb belts).

Folks need to see the forest.

[rickJen]

This Espinoza guy should focus on helping make fights fans want to happen, instead of enabling this undeserving guy.
What exactly is Showtime's end game?
Will Showtime continue to be part of the roadblock or what?
What is this guy doing?

Hearn needs to move on and let the clowns the laughing stock of the sport.
Espinoza is not even focused on Joshua,
he's talking about Arum doing something about the Fury rematch.
There you go.

Joshua vs Usyk is the fight the make.
Forget this Wilder guy.
Biggest joke in boxing.