Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-De La Hoya, Mikey Garcia, More

[DumpkinsPlus5]

"80% of the ex fighters, are not good at analyzing fights, picking fights, training fighters and just have an overall great understanding of boxing. Most are just gifted fighters. Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you can teach someone to do it or analyze why someone can do it. Andre Ward, Paul Malignaggi and Roy Jones are anomalies in the boxing world."

Agreed, how many ex fighters are really sitting down watching a boxer's fights over and over again to really digest what it is makes them effective? This is why I don't put the opinion of old ATG's on a pedestal.

[omh]

I didn't hear either one say they were treated great by Oscar. If they were treated great, then why leave?? Broner said Oscar put him in tricky situations, aka Oscar tried to set him up to lose and charlo said he left because he didn't feel he was being promoted. Neither sounds like super praise. As far as the belief that Oscar has bias against black fighters, anyone remember prior to him fighting Whitaker he referred to black fighters as cowards and said they couldn't take body shots?

The charlos only have themselves to blame they were poorly managed by al and didn't let the promoters and match makers do their job and put them in developmental fight same with wilder and with Leo Santa Cruz as soon as gbp started talks for a rigendoux fight he called his manager to save him berto is also a stunted fighter protected and overpaid his whole career

[Steven Mccowan]

Still going with the Mikey is an elite level skilled boxer huh lol. Boxing ppl seem to be low iq guys when it comes to these things

[joseph5620]

I didn't hear either one say they were treated great by Oscar. If they were treated great, then why leave?? Broner said Oscar put him in tricky situations, aka Oscar tried to set him up to lose and charlo said he left because he didn't feel he was being promoted. Neither sounds like super praise. As far as the belief that Oscar has bias against black fighters, anyone remember prior to him fighting Whitaker he referred to black fighters as cowards and said they couldn't take body shots?

I remember it very well. It gets overlooked though.

[filup79]

Schaeffer took orders from his boss Oscar De La Hoya (first ever boxer turned Promoter), but Schaefer was also misleading fighters. Still the fighters made a choice to leave and there is nothing wrong with that. Were I give praise to Oscar is the fact he let the fighters go without a fight and just released them.

How can he release them when he never had a contract with GB. Haymon advised them to not sign contracts with GB and Shaffer pretty much went with it and still kept making money by continuing to promote their fights on a fight by fight basis.who knows, if Shaffer would have refused to deal with Haymon fighters and wanted them under contract, maybe Haymon would have taken all those fighters elsewhere and had Dibella promote all those fighters and GB would have lost a lot of money at that time when Canelo wasn't that big

[Boxing Hero]

Oscar was too busy getting Coked up & lost 90% of his top fighters because of it. Schaefer ran golden boy and nobody other than Canelo wanted to stay with Oscar.

Canelo was the only smart one NOT to sign with Al Haymon and look at him now. He's got the biggest guarentee contract in sports history!

[Jab jab boom]

Canelo was the only smart one NOT to sign with Al Haymon and look at him now. He's got the biggest guarentee contract in sports history!

Canelo would've been successful whether he stayed with Oscar or not. He has a built in fan base that would've rode for him whether he went with haymon, arum or anyone else. Other than Canelo, golden boy really doesn't have much.

[Boxing Hero]

Canelo would've been successful whether he stayed with Oscar or not. He has a built in fan base that would've rode for him whether he went with haymon, arum or anyone else. Other than Canelo, golden boy really doesn't have much.

Golden Boy Promotions has made the majority of PPV in the last ten years. While Haymon has done nothing but keep them inactive. At least under Golden Boy they were becoming known.

All of Oscar's PPV were promoted by Golden Boy.

All of Mayweather's PPV fights (with the exception of two fights) were promoted by Golden Boy

Mosley, Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Baby Bull Diaz, Canelo Alvarez, David Lemuiex, GGG's PPV fights, and many more PPV Stars were promoted by Golden Boy. What has Haymon done???

[Jab jab boom]

Golden Boy Promotions has made the majority of PPV in the last ten years. While Haymon has done nothing but keep them inactive. At least under Golden Boy they were becoming known.

All of Oscar's PPV were promoted by Golden Boy.

All of Mayweather's PPV fights (with the exception of two fights) were promoted by Golden Boy

Mosley, Hopkins, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Baby Bull Diaz, Canelo Alvarez, David Lemuiex, GGG's PPV fights, and many more PPV Stars were promoted by Golden Boy. What has Haymon done???

haymon only maged to make mayweather the richest fighter in the history of the sport and has managed to make his fighters more money than anyone on Golden boy not named Canelo. All of those big names you mentioned were stars before golden boy. Don't act like golden boy created them. Golden boy would be bankrupt if not for Canelo and they'll get there eventually anyway.

[Bs_king]

Breadman says that champions of opposing sanctioning bodies should be made mandatories for other belts.

That's a nice idea in theory.

But what happens if Spence gets named mandatory for Crawford's belt? Arum won't agree to a fair deal so the fight will go to purse bids...at that point Spence will have to accept a 70-30 split or whatever the sanctioning org rules say for mandatory challengers against champions.

Which obviously won't be enough reward for the risk. So the big fights STILL won't happen anyway.

The only way to solve the problem is to have only one sanctioning body. That way there can only be one champion and if you want a belt you have to face him.

Thats kind of the point tho. In ur theoretical situation, if crawford doesn’t agree to the split then crawford is stripped and spence is awarded the belt... the real problem would be corruption. Should(would) the WBO rank pac (their former champ, beings dollars in, world renowned) over spence (possibly the best WW with a strap)? And whats to stop them from putting money over talent/fans...

The best solution is for fighters to take the triple G route in all honesty. He attacked interim champs and invaded the other sanctions ranking forcing himself into their mandatory positions. The whole smackdown vs raw thing boxing has going on makes it tougher but i don’t believe a fighter is serious about unifying their division without atleast looking at this option...

(Eg: charlo is canelo’s mandatory, if andrade were at all serious about wanting nelo or the undisputed title, right this second he should be chasing charlo. If he wins he’s automatically lined up for an undisputed clash)