Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

[Mirror Universe]

For AJ and Wilder to make over $40million each from 2 PPV fights they would need to get around 1.5million buys for each fight, and there is no way on Earth they could achieve that this year.

At 1.5 million buys, they'd make wayyyy more than 40 million each. But Showtime does believe the fight does 1.5 million and they're willing to put up more money than DAZN.

And even if they could, you need to explain why Hearn refusing to do the fight on PPV to keep DAZN happy is going to cause DAZN to end their deal with him.

No, Hearn agreeing to Joshua doing two fights on SHO PPV risks pissing off DAZN and Hearn can't afford to piss off DAZN when DAZN can cancel Hearn's deal with them.

[kafkod]

yes

such an underrated angle that the AJ fanbois want to miss and ignore

eddie wants DAZN happy....and DAZN wants 100 percent of this fight...and they want wilder thinking hes happy with them if he knocks AJ out

what id love is for wilder to go over there one time and knock him out and bounce and say **** you!

if Dazn has to split the fight with wilders people and they lose skipper is gonna watch a lot of his money flush down the toilet

even if eddie isn't the one responsible for bringing wilder to dazn it wouldn't matter...he'd be off the hook with them

but if aj loses than eddie doesn't bring much to dazn and he offers them very little....which means most of anything goes caput....and that's the real angle here people need to wake up to...the brits will never admit this though...their foolish pride could never let them

1) We don't even have DAZN in the UK, so it means nothing to UK fans whether Eddie's deal with them ends or not.

2) John Skipper is not an idiot. He wouldn't have made an 8 year deal with Hearn if he thought that one defeat for one Matchroom fighter would make Eddie Hearn worthless to him. You think they never even considered that AJ losing at some point was even a possibility?

3) Eddie Hearn agreed to Skipper's terms for an AJ/Wilder fight and gave him the go-ahead to try and get it made. It was Wilder's team who said NO.

4) UK fans are unanimously calling for the fight to happen ASAP and Wilder fans are coming up with all kinds of excuses for why it shouldn't.

Your brain works in a very weird way. It's like you can't separate your support for a particular promoter/network and your animosity towards his rivals from opinions on actual fights and fighters.

A lot of you PBC fanatics think like that. To general boxing fans, it's just weird, and you should remember that when talking about other people think or don't think.

[Jax teller]

You need to read what I actually write instead of what you imagine. I wrote:

"The two Wembley dates were announced before the Povetkin fight was announced."

Which is true.

And if the two Wembley dates were announced July 5, that means Hearn knew those dates for weeks, if not months.

Hearn repeatedly said he wasn't willing to do the Wilder fight in September. That it was too big of a fight for September. That's not Wilder's fault. He agreed to take 15 flat as long as the fight took place in 2018. Hearn wasn't willing. Which is his right. Just be honest about it.

You were trying to prove that Hearn had the dates ready for Wilder to fight in April when he sent the original contract he clearly didn't as it took two weeks after that to book Wembley after the opportunity had already passed and the Povetkin fight was demanded. You're loosing track of your own argument becuase it doesn't work.

Hearn repeatedly said October, November 2018 but didn't at the time have the date or venue booked to give a certain, you're just adding you're own assumptions, there's no way that fight wasn't next if Wilder signed it would have been too damaging and since you have no proof otherwise, you're wrong just admit it.

[kafkod]

At 1.5 million buys, they'd make wayyyy more than 40 million each.

More, but not wayyy more.

Canelo made around 70million as the A side from 2.25million PPV sales in 2 fights against GGG. That's $10million less than Wilder was guaranteed for 2 fights with AJ.

And the word guaranteed is very important in this context. If the first fight didn't live up to expectations, he would still get another $40million for the rematch.

Canelo and GGG didn't have a safety net like that when they first signed to fight each other. I don't believe any big fight match up in the history of the sport has ever had a safety net like that for the fighters. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But Showtime does believe the fight does 1.5 million and they're willing to put up more money than DAZN.

Are they really? So why aren't they offering it then?

[Mirror Universe]

You were trying to prove that Hearn had the dates ready for Wilder to fight in April when he sent the original contract he clearly didn't as it took two weeks after that to book Wembley after the opportunity had already passed and the Povetkin fight was demanded.

No, I was trying to prove that Hearn always wanted Povetkin first and Wilder second, which is easy to prove as Hearn has said that himself. He negotiated with both at the same time to maximize leverage with each fighter, but Povetkin was always his preference to be the first fight. Both dates were announced before either fight was finalized. The WBA order was meaningless as the Povetkin fight wasn't finalized for weeks after the order and if a Wilder fight had been finalized instead, there's no way the WBA would have stripped Joshua.

[Mirror Universe]

Are they really? So why aren't they offering it then?

At some point you need to realize that you have no way of knowing everything that's been offered. You're a fan. You only know what one of the parties wants you to know and you have no way of knowing if what they want you to know is true.

Haymon's way of doing business is to keep everything as quiet as possible until there is something signed and ready to announce. Hearn's way of doing business is to try to brainwash the public on a daily basis. Neither way of doing business is wrong. Hearn is a promoter and Haymon is a manager, so they're going to have very different methods.

However, in boxing, when you really want to get a deal done, you shut your ****ing mouth. When things go quiet, that's when you know the parties are really trying to make something happen. When there are leaks, public posturing, public statements, etc, that means the fight isn't really happening and everyone is just trying to condition the public on who to blame.

Joshua has had repeated offers for a Showtime PPV, or two Showtime PPVs, against Wilder that would pay him far beyond anything he can make elsewhere. But if Hearn says no, Espinoza isn't going to go on IFL every day to talk about fights that aren't happening. He's focused on fights that are happening.

[Jax teller]

No, I was trying to prove that Hearn always wanted Povetkin first and Wilder second, which is easy to prove as Hearn has said that himself. He negotiated with both at the same time to maximize leverage with each fighter, but Povetkin was always his preference to be the first fight. Both dates were announced before either fight was finalized. The WBA order was meaningless as the Povetkin fight wasn't finalized for weeks after the order and if a Wilder fight had been finalized instead, there's no way the WBA would have stripped Joshua.

So during the "negotiations" with Wilder for the 15 mil offer Hearn said I'd rather take the Povetkin fight?

The fight wasn't announced for weeks because he didn't have the date and venue but everything else was sorted an that's how Hearn satisfied the WBA that the fight was getting made so no it was not meaningless.

If Wilder signed the fight it would have been next Hearn wouldn't be ****** enough to cripple his reputation just before the launch of a new platform.

No one is buying your PBC sales pitch so take it somewhere else.

[kafkod]

However, in boxing, when you really want to get a deal done, you shut your ****ing mouth.

But that's not how Wilder and Finkel operate, is it. When they really - no really - want to get a fight done, they make offers via public posts on social media, yeah?

Cut the bullshit mate. There have been no secret offers made by Haymon and Spinoza to AJ and you know it.

[kafkod]

No, I was trying to prove that Hearn always wanted Povetkin first and Wilder second, which is easy to prove as Hearn has said that himself. He negotiated with both at the same time to maximize leverage with each fighter, but Povetkin was always his preference to be the first fight. Both dates were announced before either fight was finalized. The WBA order was meaningless as the Povetkin fight wasn't finalized for weeks after the order and if a Wilder fight had been finalized instead, there's no way the WBA would have stripped Joshua.

So during the "negotiations" with Wilder for the 15 mil offer Hearn said I'd rather take the Povetkin fight?

The fight wasn't announced for weeks because he didn't have the date and venue but everything else was sorted an that's how Hearn satisfied the WBA that the fight was getting made so no it was not meaningless.

If Wilder signed the fight it would have been next Hearn wouldn't be ****** enough to cripple his reputation just before the launch of a new platform.

No one is buying your PBC sales pitch so take it somewhere else.

I know who this joker is now. I've seem him come out with that same bullshit spiel, almost word for word, many times before.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=807899

[Real King Kong]

IF both parties actually want the fight..... then yes, I agree

do both parties REALLY want that fight ?

we have been through all this

FACT: the lowballs, and the subsequent pen-losing, convinced Team Wilder that Team Joshua are full-of-shlt, and totally uninterested in making that fight..... what do you think should have changed their mind???

what convinced them that Team Joshua are no longer Team Bullshlt?

what word/action should have changed the opinion of Team Wilder?

I mean something must have happened, because Team Joshua obviously had no interest in making that fight..... what changed?

what I see is Team Wilder showing no interest on wasting time with Team Joshua, because they 100% know they are disingenuous

I agree with your sentiment..... but the problem is Team Joshua were full-of-shlt..... and they could still be..... so how much time/energy should Team Wilder commit?

they obviously felt the 100m was not enough at this point

100 mil not enough. you relentlessly accused AJ of ducking the fight for turning down half that...even tho it was never proven the "offer" was even legit. it's funny how you've deleted that from your narrative and shifted back to other reasons why AJ "ducked" wilder. I get it tho, it doesn't quite reconcile in the mind if you accuse one guy of ducking for turning down 50 and not the other guy for turning down 100. interesting that now is the time for wilder to finally take a stand against hearn's BS...not when he allegedly accepted the 15 mil "lowball", but now in the face of 100 mil.