Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: My Goal is To Unify at 135, Maybe Return To 130

[Bronx2245]

So... by the time he is worth Loma's attention he will be too big?

How is that Loma's fault?

Loma should drop everything, drop his plans for achieving greatness, drop his plans to unify - to fight some 12 fight prospect... why? Because that prospect will be in a different weight class some day?

Why would Loma give a damn about what weight class some prospect ends up in? He wants to unify, he wants to take on champions.

Yes - Loma was able to get a title fight early in his pro career. There are several relevant factors:
1) Loma is the most decorated and successful amateur ever. He had two Olympic golds, two world championship golds, a 396-1 record. Lopez had a very ordinary amateur record.
2) Salido was an average champ with a string of losses. He didn't care who he fought. Loma is P4P #1. He cares a lot about who he fights.
3) Loma was able to get an incredibly influencial promoter on board to back him, to shift whatever it took to make it happen. Lopez doesn't appear to have the same level of backing. Plus Loma was a lot older when he started his pro career - which means his promoter has to take more risks with fast tracking him.

I don't even get why we are having this discussion. You haven't provided a single reason why Loma would be interested. Lopez brings nothing to the table which Loma is after. No belts, no championship status, nothing.

The only thing you have brought to the table is a problem. Lopez's problem. His growing body, meaning he is going up in weight classes. That's it. That's all you have brought. A problem. Not a title, nothing to enhance Loma's legacy, nothing to help his attempts to become a legend. Nothing for him at all - except what would you call it - a charity request to help out Lopez because he is growing?

When you stop looking at this situation only as a Lopez fan, you would see that it makes no sense at all.

Loma was the most decorated amateur ever, and loss to an "average champ" like Salido! Loma has an incredibly influential promoter, who also happens to be Teofimo Lopez's promoter too! Which is why we're having this discussion, because Loma is looking for a star to fight, and I think that star is Teofimo Lopez! I think Lopez has everything that Tank Davis has! I don't think casuals know Tank anymore than they know Lopez! The difference between Tank and Teofimo is that Teofimo is in the same weight class as Loma, has the same promoter as Loma, and HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO FIGHT LOMA...NOW!! MAN UP!

[Bronx2245]

Dude don't sweat it, these people don't follow boxing from day to day,Lopez fight is happening end of the year or beginning of the next as Arum stated yesterday,theyre going to make that fight, don't worry

I hope the f**k so! I wish Pedraza had some balls, so that people would understand why I want to see Loma vs. Lopez in 2019! Arum wanted that fight! Pedraza didn't want no smoke! However, maybe once he destroys WBO and IBF #3, Edis Tatli on 4/20, then people will say "Wow, he beat a Top 10 guy, maybe he should fight Loma?" You and I are obviously different! We don't need to see him fight Edis Tatli! We know this kid is special NOW! I don't know if he could beat Loma @ 135, but I think he's better than Pedraza, Crolla, and Jose Ramirez! We just need Loma to MAN UP!

[Lomasexual]

Loma was the most decorated amateur ever, and loss to an "average champ" like Salido! Loma has an incredibly influential promoter, who also happens to be Teofimo Lopez's promoter too! Which is why we're having this discussion, because Loma is looking for a star to fight, and I think that star is Teofimo Lopez! I think Lopez has everything that Tank Davis has! I don't think casuals know Tank anymore than they know Lopez! The difference between Tank and Teofimo is that Teofimo is in the same weight class as Loma, has the same promoter as Loma, and HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO FIGHT LOMA...NOW!! MAN UP!

You still haven't provided a single reason why Loma would be interested in the fight.

It's like you can only see this from one single perspective - what is good for Lopez. The fact that he offers nothing to Loma seems to be outside your scope.

Plenty of prospects would give their left testicle to get a crack at the champion. That isn't surprising or special.

Saying 'Man up' about a fighter like Loma is just ridiculous, and seems to be desperate. Like "I know my fighter has nothing to offer, so maybe if I insult the champ he'll accept a fight just cause he's mad."

Plenty of prospects try that approach too. It gets boring.

Lopez looks like he has a great future. He's going to be a lot of fun to watch. But unless you are getting paid to make silly comments on his behalf, it's just kind of degrading.

[Bronx2245]

You still haven't provided a single reason why Loma would be interested in the fight.

It's like you can only see this from one single perspective - what is good for Lopez. The fact that he offers nothing to Loma seems to be outside your scope.

Plenty of prospects would give their left testicle to get a crack at the champion. That isn't surprising or special.

Saying 'Man up' about a fighter like Loma is just ridiculous, and seems to be desperate. Like "I know my fighter has nothing to offer, so maybe if I insult the champ he'll accept a fight just cause he's mad."

Plenty of prospects try that approach too. It gets boring.

Lopez looks like he has a great future. He's going to be a lot of fun to watch. But unless you are getting paid to make silly comments on his behalf, it's just kind of degrading.

Loma should want to fight 21 year old Teofimo Lopez (22 in July), for the same reason he wanted to fight Tank Davis back when he was 22 years old! Don't tell me that was because Tank had a belt! NO! That was because Tank was a rising star, being guided by Floyd Mayweather, etc.! Well Teofimo 12 fights (10 KOs), 13th in April. ESPN 2018 Prospect of the Year, fights on ESPN, promoted by the same promotion company! Even in the same weight class! He was put on the Crawford vs. Khan card for a reason! He's the one that NYC is coming out for! After he bodies Tatlis in NYC, it's a wrap!

Commey is a good guy! Trains in Brooklyn! He's a champion! But nobody is paying to see him! Go to Brooklyn and ask about Commey, then ask about Teofimo! If you can't tell the difference between Commey and Lopez then you are deaf, dumb, and blind! Commey is the IBF Champion, but Teofimo is a star! He won't be at 135 much longer! Loma already let a big payday pass, when he swerved Pacquiao @ 140! He's not getting Mikey @ 135! He's not getting Tank to come to ESPN! If he knew like I know, he wouldn't let Lopez move on to 140 without a fight! MAN UP! And do it quickly!

[Banderivets]

Loma should want to fight 21 year old Teofimo Lopez (22 in July), for the same reason he wanted to fight Tank Davis back when he was 22 years old! Don't tell me that was because Tank had a belt! NO! That was because Tank was a rising star, being guided by Floyd Mayweather, etc.! Well Teofimo 12 fights (10 KOs), 13th in April. ESPN 2018 Prospect of the Year, fights on ESPN, promoted by the same promotion company! Even in the same weight class! He was put on the Crawford vs. Khan card for a reason! He's the one that NYC is coming out for! After he bodies Tatlis in NYC, it's a wrap!

Commey is a good guy! Trains in Brooklyn! He's a champion! But nobody is paying to see him! Go to Brooklyn and ask about Commey, then ask about Teofimo! If you can't tell the difference between Commey and Lopez then you are deaf, dumb, and blind! Commey is the IBF Champion, but Teofimo is a star! He won't be at 135 much longer! Loma already let a big payday pass, when he swerved Pacquiao @ 140! He's not getting Mikey @ 135! He's not getting Tank to come to ESPN! If he knew like I know, he wouldn't let Lopez move on to 140 without a fight! MAN UP! And do it quickly!

Never go full ****** bruh, its not a good look.

Davis is not a prospect, Davis is a two time world champion.

Lopez is a 28th world ranked PROSPECT with a bad mustache.

He brings no money and is actually still a nobody as far as boxing is concerned.

Go home, you're ****ing drunk.

[EL_GRINGO]

You still haven't provided a single reason why Loma would be interested in the fight.

It's like you can only see this from one single perspective - what is good for Lopez. The fact that he offers nothing to Loma seems to be outside your scope.

Plenty of prospects would give their left testicle to get a crack at the champion. That isn't surprising or special.

Saying 'Man up' about a fighter like Loma is just ridiculous, and seems to be desperate. Like "I know my fighter has nothing to offer, so maybe if I insult the champ he'll accept a fight just cause he's mad."

Plenty of prospects try that approach too. It gets boring.

Lopez looks like he has a great future. He's going to be a lot of fun to watch. But unless you are getting paid to make silly comments on his behalf, it's just kind of degrading.

Never go full ****** bruh, its not a good look.

Davis is not a prospect, Davis is a two time world champion.

Lopez is a 28th world ranked PROSPECT with a bad mustache.

Loma should want to fight 21 year old Teofimo Lopez (22 in July), for the same reason he wanted to fight Tank Davis back when he was 22 years old! Don't tell me that was because Tank had a belt!

Take it easy guys, the fight is going to happen wether you are for it or against,yheir gonna match up Lopez with better competition and if he handles business the fight will happen

[Lomasexual]

Take it easy guys, the fight is going to happen wether you are for it or against,yheir gonna match up Lopez with better competition and if he handles business the fight will happen

I'm not against it - don't get me wrong. As a boxing fan I think it would be a fun match up. I'd prefer it to watching Loma vs Crolla.

I can't deny reality though. Anyone who has been following Loma's career knows what he wants. Lopez offers nothing that Loma wants. It is a really simple equation.

I take Arum's words with a pinch of salt. He isn't the most trustworthy guy. So far Loma seems to have been able to guide his own career while being promoted by Arum (I think that was one of the conditions of him agreeing to be promoted by him). So if Loma isn't interested, then I'm not sure it will happen.

But the fact that Lopez is promoted by Top Rank does make it easier to make the fight happen.

Lopez is fighting often, which is exactly the right thing to do - although that will slow down as his opposition gets better and is ranked higher.

I can see a small chance of the fight happening. If Lopez can keep his weight down for long enough, and if he can achieve anything of significance - then perhaps.

[john l]

So... by the time he is worth Loma's attention he will be too big?

How is that Loma's fault?

Loma should drop everything, drop his plans for achieving greatness, drop his plans to unify - to fight some 12 fight prospect... why? Because that prospect will be in a different weight class some day?

Why would Loma give a damn about what weight class some prospect ends up in? He wants to unify, he wants to take on champions.

Yes - Loma was able to get a title fight early in his pro career. There are several relevant factors:
1) Loma is the most decorated and successful amateur ever. He had two Olympic golds, two world championship golds, a 396-1 record. Lopez had a very ordinary amateur record.
2) Salido was an average champ with a string of losses. He didn't care who he fought. Loma is P4P #1. He cares a lot about who he fights.
3) Loma was able to get an incredibly influencial promoter on board to back him, to shift whatever it took to make it happen. Lopez doesn't appear to have the same level of backing. Plus Loma was a lot older when he started his pro career - which means his promoter has to take more risks with fast tracking him.

I don't even get why we are having this discussion. You haven't provided a single reason why Loma would be interested. Lopez brings nothing to the table which Loma is after. No belts, no championship status, nothing.

The only thing you have brought to the table is a problem. Lopez's problem. His growing body, meaning he is going up in weight classes. That's it. That's all you have brought. A problem. Not a title, nothing to enhance Loma's legacy, nothing to help his attempts to become a legend. Nothing for him at all - except what would you call it - a charity request to help out Lopez because he is growing?

When you stop looking at this situation only as a Lopez fan, you would see that it makes no sense at all.

The biggest ? should be WHAT THE HE LL HAS HE DONE YET!So many young or worse just dumb "fans" fall in love with next guy who scores a highlight KO or 2.Listen I like T Lopez too but he is a 12 fight novice who has not even mixed with top 15 guys yet and your talking about the PFP best(or if u want one of top 2-3 PFP best).And its not like Arum would put Lopez in same building yet he may be the devil but he not a complete dumbazz.Nice thought post btw

[john l]

Yeah I guess the pfp stuff just has a lot of variables. I tend to look at it more as how dominant a guy is at a certain weight compared to fighters at other weights, rather than a guy needing to move up in weight. That definitely shows me something too, but almost always a guy isn't as dominant at the next weight as he was at the prior one, so that always diminishes his standing as a pfp fighter a bit for me.

It's happened a bit to Loma, even though with his wins he is still pretty clear number 1. I don't really rate Mikey high but he is another example as he is now getting decisions instead of KOs as he moves up. If Crawford goes up and beats Porter and Thurman in impressive fashion in his next two fights, something like that, I would obviously raise his number a few. If he beats Spence or is even very close with him I would probably put him above Spence closely just because I view Crawford as the naturally smaller man.

Lol so idk man there is a lot of nuance I guess in determining that stuff for me. But yeah I think Crawford Spence is my top fight to see now since I view them as top 5 pfp and a lot of people are really split about who would win that one. I always look at amateur experience as a pretty good precursor to a guy being able to box and Spence has that (as well as Crawford). I may be partial to Spence because I first saw him box when he was at the Olympics in 2012 and I liked his style then.

But hopefully these good fights happen! Just the nature of boxing where the best guys never really fight each other when we want lol. I mean I get it, they have to have it make sense business wise. But it just sucks sometimes

Nice post and I too want too see Crawford v Spence and its time(unless im off about this wkd).Ill give passes to guys who are either still prospect/contenders or have not made ANY REAL money yet.But once they get enough to reasonable live work free rest of life then I think its up to us fans to demand them.I been a fan a looong time and its hard not to feel defeated sometime are sport is run less like a sport then any other.But I think we have try and use are voice(money)to try and even it out a bit been around too long and too jaded to expect much more.IDK just spouting of I guess but your last few sentences just kind of bummed me out a little lol.

[john l]

Loma should want to fight 21 year old Teofimo Lopez (22 in July), for the same reason he wanted to fight Tank Davis back when he was 22 years old! Don't tell me that was because Tank had a belt! NO! That was because Tank was a rising star, being guided by Floyd Mayweather, etc.! Well Teofimo 12 fights (10 KOs), 13th in April. ESPN 2018 Prospect of the Year, fights on ESPN, promoted by the same promotion company! Even in the same weight class! He was put on the Crawford vs. Khan card for a reason! He's the one that NYC is coming out for! After he bodies Tatlis in NYC, it's a wrap!

Commey is a good guy! Trains in Brooklyn! He's a champion! But nobody is paying to see him! Go to Brooklyn and ask about Commey, then ask about Teofimo! If you can't tell the difference between Commey and Lopez then you are deaf, dumb, and blind! Commey is the IBF Champion, but Teofimo is a star! He won't be at 135 much longer! Loma already let a big payday pass, when he swerved Pacquiao @ 140! He's not getting Mikey @ 135! He's not getting Tank to come to ESPN! If he knew like I know, he wouldn't let Lopez move on to 140 without a fight! MAN UP! And do it quickly!

Dude chill a bit lol.But really this is all just kinda silly because NO WAY does Arum let Lopez in same building much less ring.He has not even fought a top 15 guy yet(maybe 20)I like him too but sometime people go overboard on the next PROSPECT to have a couple highlight KOs.I see the kid as a FUTURE champ and im sure your right about Brooklyn but again he is a 12 fight guy right now and Loma is PFP#1 to most I think.But really do you think Arum lets this happen any sooner then LATE next year at soonest?Also Tank had beat a top 10 guy at least and don't think for a second belt don't matter to them they pay them fee's for a reason.