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  • Boxing_1013
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    #101
    Originally posted by john l
    Nice post and I too want too see Crawford v Spence and its time(unless im off about this wkd).Ill give passes to guys who are either still prospect/contenders or have not made ANY REAL money yet.But once they get enough to reasonable live work free rest of life then I think its up to us fans to demand them.I been a fan a looong time and its hard not to feel defeated sometime are sport is run less like a sport then any other.But I think we have try and use are voice(money)to try and even it out a bit been around too long and too jaded to expect much more.IDK just spouting of I guess but your last few sentences just kind of bummed me out a little lol.
    Lol I hear ya John, and thanks for your comment. It is easy to get carried away on here sometimes and go off on tangents sometimes, I do it a lot. We are just passionate about boxing I think.

    Yeah I definitely want to see that Spence Crawford fight. I mean they have to go at it soon, I can't possibly see how they can avoid each other for too much longer. Thurman too. Those 3 guys just have to mix it up I would imagine. I would pick Spence to win against all of them but it would certainly give us the best fighting the best at WW, and with Crawford and Spence two real top 5 pfp guys imo.

    The only issue I sadly have now about the top guys fighting each other is we've gotten that in a few recent fights, and in most fights there is a pretty clear winner. But a lot of people who don't like that guy, or who are fans of the other guy, still don't give the real winner any credit when he wins. I feel like 95% of the time there is a clear winner in a fight (regardless of what the 'judges' say), and then 5% of the time it is a 7-5 either way, draw type of fight. The Hurd Lara fight comes to mind here.

    When two men step into the ring I try to leave my personal bias at the door and let the fighters do the talking. And honestly it is pretty easy for me personally to do that. I just have too much respect for guys who get in the ring. I almost have no rooting interest anymore and I am just trying to see who the better man is on that night.

    I just mention that stuff because as fans we are asking these guys to give us 'legacy' fights and the best fighting the best, and then sometimes when the better man wins on that night a lot of fans still give him no credit. It's almost like, why should they take on tough tests if they can win and people still hate on them, instead of just taking whatever money fight they can.

    I know people can see things differently sometimes but again I just feel like if we are keeping it real then most fights have a clear winner, and then there are some close ones occasionally. Like if my guy didn't win I wouldn't even really care. I was probably rooting for Manny against Floyd but I thought Floyd won 8-4. Oh well what can you do, it happens.

    I guess I am just disappointed that a lot of 'real' boxing fans on these sites are still so tribal with how they score fights. I understand rooting for guys that you like, but sometimes your guy wins, sometimes he loses. Just the way it goes. But some people on here just seem dedicated to hating on some fighters and blindly supporting other ones, no matter what they actually do.

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    • pillowfists98
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      #102
      Some people are so dumb. Lopez hasn't faced anybody in the top 25 at LW yet (Tatli will be the first) and somehow Loma needs to "man up" and fight him. I'm as impressed with Teofimo as anybody but lets be honest, he's only fought lower level guys so far. If he wins and looks great against a top 10 guy like say Pedraza or Campbell then we'll know for sure that he's the real deal and the fight with Lomachenko will happen.

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        #103
        Originally posted by john l
        Dude chill a bit lol.But really this is all just kinda silly because NO WAY does Arum let Lopez in same building much less ring.He has not even fought a top 15 guy yet(maybe 20)I like him too but sometime people go overboard on the next PROSPECT to have a couple highlight KOs.I see the kid as a FUTURE champ and im sure your right about Brooklyn but again he is a 12 fight guy right now and Loma is PFP#1 to most I think.But really do you think Arum lets this happen any sooner then LATE next year at soonest?Also Tank had beat a top 10 guy at least and don't think for a second belt don't matter to them they pay them fee's for a reason.
        So the guy Teofimo is fighting, Edis Tatli is IBF #3, and WBO #3, former Euro Champ too! If he smokes him, will that be enough? BTW, Lopez is the favorite! Pedraza already has said he don't want none! So why not Loma next? A loss won't ruin Lopez! It didn't ruin Canelo, and it didn't ruin Loma either! Lastly, Tank smoked Pedraza at 22! Teofimo turns 22 in July! It's time Bro! The Takeover continues on 4/20! Can't wait! Brooklyn, Put your Lighters Up!
        Last edited by Bronx2245; 03-14-2019, 11:15 PM.

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          #104
          Originally posted by pillowfists98
          Some people are so dumb. Lopez hasn't faced anybody in the top 25 at LW yet (Tatli will be the first) and somehow Loma needs to "man up" and fight him. I'm as impressed with Teofimo as anybody but lets be honest, he's only fought lower level guys so far. If he wins and looks great against a top 10 guy like say Pedraza or Campbell then we'll know for sure that he's the real deal and the fight with Lomachenko will happen.
          Pedraza said he didn't want to fight Lopez! Tatli is IBF #3, and WBO #3, and former Euro Champ! Is that enough? Pedraza was blasted by Tank, and beaten by Loma already too! So why do you rate him so high? Because he went 12 with Loma? Loma already turned down Pacquiao, and the Tank fight is not happening unless Loma goes to SHO, and Bob won't let that happen! So does how does Loma get a big fight? Berchelt? He doesn't even mention Loma's name!

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            #105
            Originally posted by Bronx2245
            Pedraza said he didn't want to fight Lopez! Tatli is IBF #3, and WBO #3, and former Euro Champ! Is that enough? Pedraza was blasted by Tank, and beaten by Loma already too! So why do you rate him so high? Because he went 12 with Loma? Loma already turned down Pacquiao, and the Tank fight is not happening unless Loma goes to SHO, and Bob won't let that happen! So does how does Loma get a big fight? Berchelt? He doesn't even mention Loma's name!
            Pedraza is a 2x champ and Gervonta Davis's best win by a mile. You can't just jump straight from fighting the #17 guy in your divison to the P4P #1. If not Pedraza he can fight Luke Campbell and if he wins then Lomachenko.

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            • Bronx2245
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              #106
              Originally posted by pillowfists98
              Pedraza is a 2x champ and Gervonta Davis's best win by a mile. You can't just jump straight from fighting the #17 guy in your divison to the P4P #1. If not Pedraza he can fight Luke Campbell and if he wins then Lomachenko.
              Luke Campbell is on DAZN! Not happening! Pedraza already said he don't want to fight Lopez! Said Lopez "brings nothing to the table!" Sounds familiar?

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              • john l
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                #107
                Originally posted by Boxing1013
                Lol I hear ya John, and thanks for your comment. It is easy to get carried away on here sometimes and go off on tangents sometimes, I do it a lot. We are just passionate about boxing I think.

                Yeah I definitely want to see that Spence Crawford fight. I mean they have to go at it soon, I can't possibly see how they can avoid each other for too much longer. Thurman too. Those 3 guys just have to mix it up I would imagine. I would pick Spence to win against all of them but it would certainly give us the best fighting the best at WW, and with Crawford and Spence two real top 5 pfp guys imo.

                The only issue I sadly have now about the top guys fighting each other is we've gotten that in a few recent fights, and in most fights there is a pretty clear winner. But a lot of people who don't like that guy, or who are fans of the other guy, still don't give the real winner any credit when he wins. I feel like 95% of the time there is a clear winner in a fight (regardless of what the 'judges' say), and then 5% of the time it is a 7-5 either way, draw type of fight. The Hurd Lara fight comes to mind here.

                When two men step into the ring I try to leave my personal bias at the door and let the fighters do the talking. And honestly it is pretty easy for me personally to do that. I just have too much respect for guys who get in the ring. I almost have no rooting interest anymore and I am just trying to see who the better man is on that night.

                I just mention that stuff because as fans we are asking these guys to give us 'legacy' fights and the best fighting the best, and then sometimes when the better man wins on that night a lot of fans still give him no credit. It's almost like, why should they take on tough tests if they can win and people still hate on them, instead of just taking whatever money fight they can.

                I know people can see things differently sometimes but again I just feel like if we are keeping it real then most fights have a clear winner, and then there are some close ones occasionally. Like if my guy didn't win I wouldn't even really care. I was probably rooting for Manny against Floyd but I thought Floyd won 8-4. Oh well what can you do, it happens.

                I guess I am just disappointed that a lot of 'real' boxing fans on these sites are still so tribal with how they score fights. I understand rooting for guys that you like, but sometimes your guy wins, sometimes he loses. Just the way it goes. But some people on here just seem dedicated to hating on some fighters and blindly supporting other ones, no matter what they actually do.
                Great post and yes its easy for me too to put my bias aside and score a fight because like you all I want is to see who is best.Thats why fanboys of certain fighters drives me nuts.The heath of the sport I truly love is MOST IMPORTENT.To kinda give you an example is B-HOP vs Tayler now I have ALWAYS been a B-HOP fan but when he fought Tayler I was for 1st time rooting against him.The reason was because at 40 I thought B-HOP was getting ready to retire not one of my better picks since he fought till he was 75 lol.And because heath of sport is most important I thought it would be better for a young Olympic medalist to take over as undisputed champ then have Hopkins beat him and retire only to see belts split up 4 ways with no real champ.I have many favs(Mayweather being one lol) but NONE come before SPORT as a whole.You sound like that kind of fan(true love of sport)and we SURLY need more and look forward to debating/discussing our great but terribly run sport.

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                  #108
                  Loma looks like a small lightweight. He would be much more suited to the 130 lbs division. There was some video and pics with Loma and Mikey Garcia together about a year ago and it looked like Garcia was 2 or 3 divisions bigger than Loma.

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                  • john l
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by Bronx2245
                    So the guy Teofimo is fighting, Edis Tatli is IBF #3, and WBO #3, former Euro Champ too! If he smokes him, will that be enough? BTW, Lopez is the favorite! Pedraza already has said he don't want none! So why not Loma next? A loss won't ruin Lopez! It didn't ruin Canelo, and it didn't ruin Loma either! Lastly, Tank smoked Pedraza at 22! Teofimo turns 22 in July! It's time Bro! The Takeover continues on 4/20! Can't wait! Brooklyn, Put your Lighters Up!
                    Man are you REALLY using alpha bit ratings to prove ANYTHING?And no beating Tatli another UNRANKED(THE RING,TRANS,or he ll even ESPN.)opponent and like I said in 1st post this is a waste of time because Top Rank who have best matchmakers in buis are NEVER gonna let him near Loma until somtime next year at best.And age don't mean a DA MN thing just because Tank is 22 and holds a title don't mean T Lopez is ready for very best.And u don't see tank fighting him either do ya? Slow down let him fight a contender(not boxrec either)and im pretty sure he will be a champ someday soon.

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                    • Bronx2245
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by john l
                      Man are you REALLY using alpha bit ratings to prove ANYTHING?And no beating Tatli another UNRANKED(THE RING,TRANS,or he ll even ESPN.)opponent and like I said in 1st post this is a waste of time because Top Rank who have best matchmakers in buis are NEVER gonna let him near Loma until somtime next year at best.And age don't mean a DA MN thing just because Tank is 22 and holds a title don't mean T Lopez is ready for very best.And u don't see tank fighting him either do ya? Slow down let him fight a contender(not boxrec either)and im pretty sure he will be a champ someday soon.
                      If you're fighting a guy ranked #3 by two organizations, and he was a former Euro Champ, then you are fighting a contender! Teofimo is ranked #8 LW by Ring! The only Top 10 LWs in Top Rank are Teofimo #8, Pedraza #6, and Lomachenko at the top! I just want one of them to fight my boy ASAP, before he goes to 140 in 2020, like his Father/Trainer has already said! Pedraza already has said no because "Lopez brings nothing to the table," and Loma has said something similar! I'm not feeling that at all! That's that BS excuse Thurman used to swerve Errol Spence Jr.! COWARDS! And you are co-signing that BS too! Why?

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