Comments Thread For: Jacobs Believes His Opinion That GGG Won Has Offended Canelo

[Citizen Koba]

You lost me. This is the second time you’ve mentioned it. I ignored it before. You said that I claim the WBC “setup.”

I prefer to always play roles to make the point more clear, for a sport already known to be corrupt.

Let’s say you and I are Sulaiman and VADA CEO Goodman. You and I both know that Vargas and Salido had a fight with a narrative exactly the same as Canelo Alvarez. The difference being, Vargas had double Canelo’s amount, 45 days away instead of Canelo’s 80 days away. Both were “meat contamination.” Vargas was part of Conte as well at the time, and lastly, Dr. Goodman said she would give Vargas a second chance without penalty...lol.

So, here comes Canelo, same thing, only TECHNICALLY LESS worse. You know like in the real world a sentencing depends on how much damage was done for the crime... so again, we know Vargas was worse.. yet somehow Canelo was punished... this is the opposite of justice. We also know that USADA exonerated Clen cases for meat contamination.

So if you and I are an organization that has been trying to get Canelo’s acknowledgement ever since he vacated it, by offering different WBC belts in JCC Jr. and the Canelo GGG 1 bout, meanwhile Canelo is continually refusing the belts. Meanwhile the WBC-CBP is a joint program.

Isn’t obvious that Canelo was purposefully discriminated against all when Vargas was exonerated? This is easy work man. This all happened because Mexican boxing has its pride, and Mexican news had Canelo ignoring the Gold standard of Mexican merit, the WBC Belt. Don’t you think Sulaiman has his pride broken? Again, this is Mexico man... it’s a corrupt country as is. Let’s stip pretending like the WBC didn’t scheme something. If the WBC goes down, many affiliated to it would go down as well. That’s why GBP couldn’t do much to help the Canelo case, all while rogue parties were attacking Oscar simultaneously when all this happened.

Because of all of this gay shet, Canelo will be victorious. He’s always been a stand up dude, no ego. The meat contamination narrative was just damage control that sounded better than supplement contamination. 80 days away from a picogram Trace is ******ed to think that would’ve helped for May. Canelo haters say “he benefited from it” as if to contextualize other sports the same way. It’s rather ******ed.

I’m always stating specifics in our dialogue because facts are important. If you’re going to refute down generalize or debate my mode of defense. At least counteract technical details such as amounts, Vargas, Morales, etc.. don’t cop out like other posters not even bringing those fundamentals up because they know I’m right.

Ha ha... man. I don't even know where to start, so I ain't going to. All I'm gonna say is that the scientific evidence does not provide enough evidence either way to say whether Canelo deliberately used Clenbuterol as a PED or not. If you want to construct a speculative circumstantial argument pointing to some conspiracy then that's on your time man. That **** might look blindingly obvious to you, man, but to me not only does it seem a bit contrived it is also of little interest. That's not even to say your argument is implausible, merely that it ain't provable one way or another and there's possible alternative explanations for all the circumstances involved.

I would point out that firstly early PED cases will and have changed policy over time, so treatment of a case a year or two or 5 years ago might not be the same as it is today. EDIT: Also it's been pointed out for you before that decisions over punitive measures are not in the hands of VADA or Goodman, but at the discretion of the relevant commission or sanction body. Secondly you seem to fail to understand that the advantages gained from a drug are not necessarily time limited... you talk about the 'picograms' recorded on sampling as if drugs are not metabolised or eliminated by the body. You are aware what a half-life is, right? Just because the measured amount is half as great it doesn't mean the amount ingested or dosed was half as great, since more time might have elapsed since the drug entered the body.

Further, If a drug is used to shed weight or add lean mass then that benefit remains even after the drug is eliminated from the system, just as if a stimulant is used to train longer and harder the benefits of that training do not just disappear when the drug is eliminated from the body. The benefits don't just vanish because it was 45 or 60 or even 80 days pre-fight... there's about a dozen other flags I could raise which call your argument into question, but I ain't gonna because, frankly I don't care.

All I intended was to point out that the scientific evidence does not clear Canelo as you asserted, though nor does it prove guilt of deliberate use.

[KillaMane26]

Jacobs you big dummy! GGG took zero damage from you but hasn’t recovered from the beating he received from a guy you say he actually beat? How does that make any sense?

Cuz fights arent scored based on how ya face look afterwards. Or how much blood you pissing.

[BigStomps]

It’s ok. You can’t refuse the circumstances. The rational thinking is above your admittance. We call those cowards.

The only cowards are the one's who run when they are called out to a fight.
Basically you all thru Jr high school, high School, and all your pathetic adult life... 😆😂

[Thuglife Nelo]

Ha ha... man. I don't even know where to start, so I ain't going to. All I'm gonna say is that the scientific evidence does not provide enough evidence either way to say whether Canelo deliberately used Clenbuterol as a PED or not. If you want to construct a speculative circumstantial argument pointing to some conspiracy then that's on your time man. That **** might look blindingly obvious to you, man, but to me not only does it seem a bit contrived it is also of little interest. That's not even to say your argument is implausible, merely that it ain't provable one way or another and there's possible alternative explanations for all the circumstances involved.

I would point out that firstly early PED cases will and have changed policy over time, so treatment of a case a year or two or 5 years ago might not be the same as it is today. EDIT: Also it's been pointed out for you before that decisions over punitive measures are not in the hands of VADA or Goodman, but at the discretion of the relevant commission or sanction body. Secondly you seem to fail to understand that the advantages gained from a drug are not necessarily time limited... you talk about the 'picograms' recorded on sampling as if drugs are not metabolised or eliminated by the body. You are aware what a half-life is, right? Just because the measured amount is half as great it doesn't mean the amount ingested or dosed was half as great, since more time might have elapsed since the drug entered the body.

Further, If a drug is used to shed weight or add lean mass then that benefit remains even after the drug is eliminated from the system, just as if a stimulant is used to train longer and harder the benefits of that training do not just disappear when the drug is eliminated from the body. The benefits don't just vanish because it was 45 or 60 or even 80 days pre-fight... there's about a dozen other flags I could raise which call your argument into question, but I ain't gonna because, frankly I don't care.

All I intended was to point out that the scientific evidence does not clear Canelo as you asserted, though nor does it prove guilt of deliberate use.

I understand. We are basically in agreement. If we go by your logic we don’t know who is doing what if you’re not 365. You and I know both know most prize fight stars start 45-60 days. Others 25-35 days. Depends on the promoters. And even then, why would promoters need to even talk about cuttoffs? Why? Because promoters know the nature of all sports.

What we can agree on, with history of basics and PED use, be it any sport, most PED offenses have always been post competition testing. In cycling they test you every day or every two days be it 2 weeks cycling or longer like the Tour De France. RJJ or Toney, post fight. What does this obviously tell us? That cheating has always been IN COMPETITION. Nobody cares about off season supplement use where there’s 99% contamination in trace amounts.

I’ll make it even more cryptic for you to know how this industry is... Rozier said Canelo and Jacobs were his two favorite fighters, but he said back that any fighter who cheats are a piece of shet. Canelo is about to fight his fighter, interesting how he hasn’t kept that same energy the way Miller has to AJ in the press conferences. One could assume that Rozier’s gym is on supplements like everyone else and as athletes should be and can be... meaning, Rozier knows it was probably supplement contamination.

[JohnCastellanos]

True but in this case with Canelo and GGG the whole narrative was reversed when everyone said Canelo ran in the first fight when in all actuality he boxed beautifully and made ggg miss all night while landing the most damaging blows and also being the only one that actually had highlights in that fight, and since the narrative was reversed to suit GGGs lackluster performance you can’t expect to get away with it again when Canelo clearly gave us what we asked for and ggg comes up short once again but with no excuses left!
Take responsibility man don’t be like ggg because we are tired of these fake narratives

[Citizen Koba]

I understand. We are basically in agreement. If we go by your logic we don’t know who is doing what if you’re not 365. You and I know both know most prize fight stars start 45-60 days. Others 25-35 days. Depends on the promoters. And even then, why would promoters need to even talk about cuttoffs? Why? Because promoters know the nature of all sports.

What we can agree on, with history of basics and PED use, be it any sport, most PED offenses have always been post competition testing. In cycling they test you every day or every two days be it 2 weeks cycling or longer like the Tour De France. RJJ or Toney, post fight. What does this obviously tell us? That cheating has always been IN COMPETITION. Nobody cares about off season supplement use where there’s 99% contamination in trace amounts.

I’ll make it even more cryptic for you to know how this industry is... Rozier said Canelo and Jacobs were his two favorite fighters, but he said back that any fighter who cheats are a piece of shet. Canelo is about to fight his fighter, interesting how he hasn’t kept that same energy the way Miller has to AJ in the press conferences. One could assume that Rozier’s gym is on supplements like everyone else and as athletes should be and can be... meaning, Rozier knows it was probably supplement contamination.

Persistant dude, aincha?

The only thing I've claimed is that there's insufficient scientific evidence to say one way or another whether Canelo's Clenbuterol positives were accidental or due to deliberate use, so yeah. If you agree with that statement then sure, we're in agreement.

As to the rest of your speculation I've declined to either agree or disagree, but merely pointed out that one could challenge your position on several grounds... which, I guess, is kinda an agreement of sorts, if you agree with my caveats ... I suppose.

Only other thing I would point out is that for all sports covered by WADA I believe testing is year round - certainly at the top level. There isn't an 'out of competition' period as you seem to be claiming. I could be wrong though.

And I'd say using Roziers apparent contradiction as evidence of anything is... well I don't know, but I do know that folk contradict themselves all the time. Is your position that Andre has insider information about Canelo's use (or lack thereof) and kinda accidentally on purpose wove it into his public comments in a subtle masterstroke of deviousness? Could be I suppose - but I personally wouldn't be resting any of my arguments on that kind of evidence.

[landotter]

Golovkin beat Jacobs. (The only fight I have bought on PPV.)

Golovkin should have won the first fight. (Saw it on replay a week later, my opinion not as valid as those who saw it live without getting bombarded by analysis before seeing it.)

Alvarez won the second fight. (Saw it live in a theatre on Fathom events, so much fun.)

All three are close enough that the conversations are still fun. Alvarez will of course use Jacob's opinion as locker room material. Why not? The great ones use any slight as motivation.

[dobromir]

Everybody sees and perceives fights differently. I believe GGG beat both guys. The fights were close, though.

[Joe Beamish]

The judges will handle this. That’s what GB pays them to do.

[bluemax]

Jacobs will get robbed

Boxing has always been corrupt and Canelo's record just confirms nothing's changed. He got embarrassed against Mayweather but escaped with a majority loss, COME ON!!!. Lara easilly beat him yet lost. GGG beat the crap out of him in the first figt but he escaped with a draw and he lost a close decision in the rematch. Jacobs is right about one thing, he has zero chance of winning a close decision and needs a knockout to win. Canelo's blind nuthuggers will be happy and celebrate their hero's victory. Any fight Canelo's in is almost no longer a sport but a spectacle where the outcome is already decided