Comments Thread For: Jacobs Believes His Opinion That GGG Won Has Offended Canelo

[Kcvtr81]

Whooo, Gwan Danny boy stirr that pot lol *** what canelo thinks

[Kali_KO]

Jacobs is right, GGG beat Canelo twice, just like the media in the arena on fight night wrote when they took a poll. GGG also beat Jacobs. Fact is that Canelo not only failed one, but Two Tests for Clenbuterol because GGG team insisted on the earliest testing ever for Canelo before a fight. For those that aren’t Familie with cycling or microdosing, athletes get the benefits well after they take Clen and can outsmart the testing, just like Lance Armstrong did for so many years. Jacobs hasn’t looked like the same fighter since he lost to GGG, this fight is really the Losers Bracket as GGG beat both guys and is still the best Middleweight in the world.

[Madison Boxing]

Well the truth hurts

[Thuglife Nelo]

You obviously aren't very smart! This isn't about Golden Boy promotions or any other fighter.. It's about Canelo!
Wether it was intentionally or accidentally the fact remains Canelo tested positive for a PED and for you to say he ate a dirty taco intentionally just to get out of a fight shows how ****** you really are!

I have posted numerous times about strict liability and the inevitable consequence. I take it you don’t know what strict liability means...

What’s even funnier is how limited your rational thinking is, you wouldn’t make a good lawyer.

I even gave you footnotes for GBP fighters having had Clen. Here I’ll help your dumbass. You don’t me calling you dumbass yes? Cause I try to be formal but you guys come back with dumb ****.

GBP: Morales and Vargas

Morales testing for Clen the week of the fight. Vargas, 45 days away versus Canelo’s 80 days away.

VADA CEO Goodman (per Ring Mag): “We want to give Vargas a second chance to prove himself clean.” Vargas had double the amount of Canelo. He was ruled meat contamination.

Foster from the CSAC: “It was such a low amount, 1.2ng...plus the fight was so far away...”.

You realize VADA consulted Foster for all this? Guess which network orchestrated all this?’ HBO! The same HBO that was about to fold in the brink of the Canelo GGG series. Controversy helped this network take in some last profits and hopes the execs liked the Canelo GGG outcome. Didn’t happen!

I’d present all this to a judge and use VADA’s CEO to explain Vargas vs Canelo.

Easy win for my Firm! You can’t discriminate against Canelo when all evidence showed Vargas much worse than Canelo along with Conte and Vargas caping for the whole Vargas Salido fight.

This is my house! Stay in yo lane! It was industry flop. Casuals and many boxing fans didn’t notice this comedic inconsistency.

[LetOutTheCage]

Of Jacob's fought like he did against GGG then he should win. He needs to use his height and reach advantage and keep Canelo at a distance. As shown by GGG, Canelo is susceptible to a good jab.

[angkag]

I never understood how a person can score a fight and get a Split decision.

Jacobs isn't as smart as he sounds.

I think he means there was a round or more that he saw as a toss-up, and expectation that the judges would be split on those rounds, so either a draw or split decision depending on which way they went. So his own scoring had a round or more undecided.

[Citizen Koba]

You are confused. I’m not dis*****g strict liability which had the fight cancelled because he had to serve the 6 months. Heck even BJS didn’t serve his 6 months.

Eichner’s lab was the conductor for the testing contracted by VADA for GGG vs Canelo for the rematch camps. The report was already made public by industry in March where Eichner said it was “consistent” (as you stated) for meat contamination.

The hair follicle testing and 365 narratives came a month later while Loeffler was trying to continue pushing 50/50 or no fight. In that time Canelo did 365 and gave the hair tests. The results for the hair tests was to only appetite Loeffler and Abel’s demands. In the end we went with 55/45 splits if I recall.

Now aside from all this dumb shet. Let’s be realistic. Many fans have no idea that “post” means after. So when you hear “post fight results” means the blood and urine taken from the boxers AFTER the fight.

Of course we know why a Post Fight Sample is taken? Right? To see if the fighter was on something DURING the fight. Take the Toney or RJJ bouts. Because VADA wasn’t around back then, there was no pre fight (camp) Testing, so it’s rather strange that Hall and RJJ tested huge “10x” amounts for a steroid found in Ripped Fuel. Again, a Post fight test and no VADA (Advanced Drug Testing).

So then we talk about Canelo. The first prize fight where a boxer or athlete has picogram traces of Clenbuterol 80 days away from his fight.

So think about that. 80 days away with picogram levels vs a Post fight test “10x” the amount when molecular testing wasn’t even a standard. If you still don’t get that, Post Fight Testing was down in milligram concentrations, not picograms or what they call “trace amounts.” So for them to say Hall and RJJ had 10x the amount on top of traditional mg concentrations suggests that athletes had set a standard for typical rapid cases.

So let’s revise, 10x milligram results for a Post fight test versus picograms 80 days away for a boxer named Canelo who was already going to do VADA leading to the fight. Contador was caught with Clen in picograms WHILE he was racing in the tournament not 80 days away from his couch.

Do we finally get the concept of cheating vs possible contamination from supplements that Loeffler exploited along with the WBC. Keep in mind that Suleiman and CEO Goodman wanted an excuse to hurt Canelo because he never fought for the WBC belt since vacating nor did he accept those special art version trinkets. What does that mean, that the VADA execs weren’t having it that Canelo wasn’t paying those fees since he wasn’t part of the org. Non-Profit my ass.

I like the Canelo haters that say, “Canelo took advantage of the Clen and didn’t tapper off correctly.” As if somehow Clenbuterol or the contamination would help Canelo 80 days away. It’s ******ed. Canelo has “stamina issues” as is, why the Reynosos had Canelo take Clen for a Gym rat that wouldn’t notice heart deviations while training.

It is what it is. I ruled it all supplement contamination or meat contamination.

Man. I can only assume you have no understanding at all of the way Clenbuterol is used in the context of boxing or other combat sports or, it seems, that all drugs have different profiles and methods of action.

As far as I know no-one accused Canelo of using Clenbuterol on or around fight night to gain immediate or short term benefits. The contention is that he may have used it to help add lean muscle and burn fat prior to staring camp.... whether or not this is true or whether he did indeed have traces or Clenbuterol in his urine through meat contamination remains unclear since the urine tests were consistent with both meat contamination and with Canelo having cycled off a the****utic course of Clenbuterol some two to three weeks prior to testing.

Your hypothesis about the WBC somehow setting Canelo up is interesting (as I've mentioned before) but utterly speculative - seems to me you're using it as a starting to point and trying to fit the available information around it, which ain't how logical deduction works, but you're entitled to have that opinion if you like. Just a bit to tenuous for me to give much credence to.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Man. I can only assume you have no understanding at all of the way Clenbuterol is used in the context of boxing or other combat sports or, it seems, that all drugs have different profiles and methods of action.

As far as I know no-one accused Canelo of using Clenbuterol on or around fight night to gain immediate or short term benefits. The contention is that he may have used it to help add lean muscle and burn fat prior to staring camp.... whether or not this is true or whether he did indeed have traces or Clenbuterol in his urine through meat contamination remains unclear since the urine tests were consistent with both meat contamination and with Canelo having cycled off a the****utic course of Clenbuterol some two to three weeks prior to testing.

No I’m being serious. Play the role of a lawyer and defend GBP given the circumstances that happened in boxing. Use VADA’s own CEO in Goodman exempting Vargas - her own words - and why industry allowed these fights to happen or why Danny Garcia and Angel didn’t brag about Morales with Clenbuterol. Angel isn’t ******. He could’ve squeezed more money from Oscar for allowing it all. Who knows, maybe it did happen. But the Garcia’s never said anything about Canelo and Clenbuterol because of Morales.

If you ask why play a lawyer, because in real life that’s how the world operates with defending clients of no wrong doing. why you didn’t bring up Vargas or Morales has me to believe you know I’m right, and at least acknowledge that Canelo is the first prize fighter with a picogram case 80 days away. That’s unheard of. “Cheating” in sports has always defaulted for in competition consequence and the post fight results. If we want to be technical, Canelo has never failed a test 60 days away. That’s always been the norm or 45 days.

[BigStomps]

I have posted numerous times about strict liability and the inevitable consequence. I take it you don’t know what strict liability means...

What’s even funnier is how limited your rational thinking is, you wouldn’t make a good lawyer.

I even gave you footnotes for GBP fighters having had Clen. Here I’ll help your dumbass. You don’t me calling you dumbass yes? Cause I try to be formal but you guys come back with dumb ****.

GBP: Morales and Vargas

Morales testing for Clen the week of the fight. Vargas, 45 days away versus Canelo’s 80 days away.

VADA CEO Goodman (per Ring Mag): “We want to give Vargas a second chance to prove himself clean.” Vargas had double the amount of Canelo. He was ruled meat contamination.

Foster from the CSAC: “It was such a low amount, 1.2ng...plus the fight was so far away...”.

You realize VADA consulted Foster for all this? Guess which network orchestrated all this?’ HBO! The same HBO that was about to fold in the brink of the Canelo GGG series. Controversy helped this network take in some last profits and hopes the execs liked the Canelo GGG outcome. Didn’t happen!

I’d present all this to a judge and use VADA’s CEO to explain Vargas vs Canelo.

Easy win for my Firm! You can’t discriminate against Canelo when all evidence showed Vargas much worse than Canelo along with Conte and Vargas caping for the whole Vargas Salido fight.

This is my house! Stay in yo lane! It was industry flop. Casuals and many boxing fans didn’t notice this comedic inconsistency.

Then why aren't you a lawyer with your own firm?? You pretend to know it all but all you have to show for it is a Walmart shopping that you use to sell oranges out of at the freeway exit! 😂🤣 You fuccing loser!

[Citizen Koba]

No I’m being serious. Play the role of a lawyer and defend GBP given the circumstances that happened in boxing. Use VADA’s own CEO in Goodman exempting Vargas - her own words - and why industry allowed these fights to happen or why Danny Garcia and Angel didn’t brag about Morales with Clenbuterol. Angel isn’t ******. He could’ve squeezed more money from Oscar for allowing it all. Who knows, maybe it did happen. But the Garcia’s never said anything about Canelo and Clenbuterol because of Morales.

If you ask why play a lawyer, because in real life that’s how the world operates with defending clients of no wrong doing. why you didn’t bring up Vargas or Morales has me to believe you know I’m right, and at least acknowledge that Canelo is the first prize fighter with a picogram case 80 days away. That’s unheard of. “Cheating” in sports has always defaulted for in competition consequence and the post fight results. If we want to be technical, Canelo has never failed a test 60 days away. That’s always been the norm or 45 days.

Well I did edit my last post a little before I read this which will give you an idea of my thoughts, but it appears we're talking at cross purposes. I'm addressing the available objective scientific evidence pertaining to the case, which doesn't really offer us a conclusive answer. Establishing that was my only purpose in my replying to your post.

What you've done is come up with a speculative hypothesis which you believe supports the notion that Canelo was somehow set up to fail by a vengeful WBC and you seem to be seeking out evidence that supports it. It's an outlier, but possible, though I could point out some gaping holes in the theory, but that ain't something I'm really interested in discussing.... it's simply too speculative.

I'm a big fan of Occams razor and the simplest explanations requiring the fewest assumptions are that it is exactly as it appears - that is either Canelo ate contaminated beef with seriously unfortunate timing or that he had been using Clenbuterol as a PED and got caught.