Peter: "I Will Put Toney Through Hell"

[beez721]

Peter need not fear a counter punch by Toney. Toney couldn't hurt Michael Moorer, let alone Samuel Peter. This is not Wladimir Klitschko throwing punches back at him, this is a man who hit Hasim "The Chinless Wonder" Rahman with beautiful, holy **** I wish I had a Kodak with me, right hand counters all night long and still wasn't able to make him take a step back.

Some of you talk about Sam never throwing body punches but we've never seen Samuel Peter in the ring with a man as small as Toney. We're used to seeing him fight heavyweights who are generally his height or taller who can punch. We've never seen him in there with a five foot nine, blown up middleweight who has decent cruiserweight power at best.
Samuel Peter will fight completely differently when he is looking down at his opponent and is unafraid to open up.

Someone said that Duva is an idiot but really it's Toney who is foolish for taking a fight he can't win. He's going to get seriously hurt.

I agree. I dont see the stamina aspect of peter being a problem. too many clueless people accuse him of having bad stamina when he's only tired in the one fight with klit in which he had to deal with a strong jab in his face all night. he went 10 rounds 3 other times without showing any fatigue. I still favor toney tho if he comes in 10 lbs or more lighter than his last fight

[realheavyhands]

after 3 rounds peter doesnt have a shot. toney will put punches right on his nose and jaw, inside 3 peter has a chance , in 7 8 9 peter is so wild and toney so technical he could knock peter out

[Derranged]

I agree. I dont see the stamina aspect of peter being a problem. too many clueless people accuse him of having bad stamina when he's only tired in the one fight with klit in which he had to deal with a strong jab in his face all night. he went 10 rounds 3 other times without showing any fatigue. I still favor toney tho if he comes in 10 lbs or more lighter than his last fight

When you take the big swings that Peter takes and miss it takes a lot of you. Peter is gonna miss with every big swing he takes, plus is gonna take a lotta body shots. He will be tired. But Wladimir did make him move, he never allowed Peter to really set and get comfortable. We'll see.

[josenoway]

toney lures peter into the ropes.
death by counterpunch.
toney by UD.

[PBDS]

rahman has power though right? why didn't he just simply knock toney out then by punching over his right hand counters? why didn't he throw caution to the wind and start launching a power punching assault? why didn't he get inside and maul toney with power shots?

because toneys multiple right hand counters had him keeping distance and had him trying to use strategy to win...as opposed to brute force.

once peter figures out that toneys punches are actually starting to wear on him and he finds out that his wide punches have nothing for toneys defense, he'll become discouraged.

toney will be able to see his wide ass hooks coming like he was neo from the mf'ing matrix

....I hear what your saying OG but I also think that Rahman would love a do over in that one. He knows he should have pressed more. I don't think it was necesarily a case of Toney discouraging Rahman as it was Rahman not getting it done. IMO Rahman's power is overated. It is nowhere near Sam's power. Peter just needs to land a couple of clean shots and it could be lights out. Toney will not keep him from landing a few clean shots in the fight. Peter will be hitting where he can and physically wearing Toney down until he catches him.

[beez721]

....I hear what your saying OG but I also think that Rahman would love a do over in that one. He knows he should have pressed more. I don't think it was necesarily a case of Toney discouraging Rahman as it was Rahman not getting it done. IMO Rahman's power is overated. It is nowhere near Sam's power. Peter just needs to land a couple of clean shots and it could be lights out. Toney will not keep him from landing a few clean shots in the fight. Peter will be hitting where he can and physically wearing Toney down until he catches him.

I agree about rahman's power being overrated. he hasnt put a heavyweight on his back in years

[Big G Foreman]

For the people who believe Toney will win.Pick another sport to be a fan of.Toney is a middleweight.He doesn't have the power to hurt Peter or any other real heavyweight.Toney isn't fast on his feet.He stands there and tries to make you miss.Sure it worked ok against Ruiz,and the 40 plus year old washed Holyfield but Peter will destroy him.If Peter loses he should quit boxig and go back to africa.

[fluent2332]

....Toney hit the no chinned Rahman clean all night long and the Rock never flinched. Peter will be shooing away his counters like they were those little dog **** gnats. Those feather fisted counter punches will not keep him off.

rahman didn't flinch? then explain why he wasnt throwing his right hand then? the few he did throw early in the fight, were countered with flush right hands and whaddya know, he stopped throwing it completely after that. i'd say he flinched a little

i cant believe people are picking peter in this fight. the outta shape toney from the rahman fight would win 116-112/115-113 over peter, let alone if hes in any kind of decent shape. if you thought toney landed some nice right hand counters on rahmans head, wait till you see what he does when peter throws those slow ass clubbing punches. tony by lopsided UD, with a chance of a late TKO

[Kid Achilles]

Rahman was throwing these teeny little arm punches, pushing Toney, and leaning on him all through the fight. I didn't see anything close to the right hand that took all the fight out of Lewis in Africa. The guy can punch (nowhere near as hard as Peter) but he chose not to. He doesn't want a replay of the Maskaev fight. With Rahman it's a mental thing, it's about his temperment. Rahman is not a balls to the wall take two to land one guy. It's not about him chosing to not fight like that because he has skill, it's that he can't do it. Doesn't have the nerve. Rahman likes to sit back, and as RWK has said many times, play chess.

Samuel Peter's idea of a chess game is to turn the board over and splinter those little useless pieces beneath his feet. If Peter has the willpower and determination, this fight is his to win.

The way to beat Peter is to keep him moving, missing, and wasting his energy while countering with hard, well chosen, shots to keep his respect. Toney, at least at heavyweight, likes to play a countering game where he plants himself in harms way and takes advantage of any openings he sees. I don't feel like this is a good strategy for a former middleweight to use against one of the hardest hitting heavyweights I've seen on television in my lifetime.

You guys can pick Toney all you want for stylistic reasons, but Peter presents the attitude, fortitude, and physical strength to put Toney at serious risk. Come the night of this fight, you will see why it's best for a fighter to stick to his natural weightclass.

[GasPed]

Rahman was throwing these teeny little arm punches, pushing Toney, and leaning on him all through the fight. I didn't see anything close to the right hand that took all the fight out of Lewis in Africa. The guy can punch (nowhere near as hard as Peter) but he chose not to. He doesn't want a replay of the Maskaev fight. With Rahman it's a mental thing, it's about his temperment. Rahman is not a balls to the wall take two to land one guy. It's not about him chosing to not fight like that because he has skill, it's that he can't do it. Doesn't have the nerve. Rahman likes to sit back, and as RWK has said many times, play chess.

Samuel Peter's idea of a chess game is to turn the board over and splinter those little useless pieces beneath his feet. If Peter has the willpower and determination, this fight is his to win.

The way to beat Peter is to keep him moving, missing, and wasting his energy while countering with hard, well chosen, shots to keep his respect. Toney, at least at heavyweight, likes to play a countering game where he plants himself in harms way and takes advantage of any openings he sees. I don't feel like this is a good strategy for a former middleweight to use against one of the hardest hitting heavyweights I've seen on television in my lifetime.

You guys can pick Toney all you want for stylistic reasons, but Peter presents the attitude, fortitude, and physical strength to put Toney at serious risk. Come the night of this fight, you will see why it's best for a fighter to stick to his natural weightclass.

Amen to that.

If Toney was a natural HW or even cruiser, this would be a laugher. As it is, it's a disaster - he has absolutely no way to keep Peter off him. All he can do is pray Peter wears himself out, while eating the biggest shots he's ever taken in his life.

It's like Foreman-Frazier, only worse, much worse.