Team Wilder only have themselves to blame!

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  • DaNeutral.
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    #31
    Ofcourse they are to blame. For starters they saw Fury and Warren as easy to push around and from what i hear they were a bit too seflish with Wilders A side status and refused to budge on any of the terms of the fight other than the money. Especially when they had a chance to get a great contract from Hearn and Joshua and didnt have to take the rematch with Fury.

    All the big talk from Wilders fans but the reality is it seems like Wilder has took 3 steps back to take 1 step forward. After raising his profile of Joshua's name and taking on 2 actual known opponents in a row and getting his 1st PPV all the rumours are now that he will be facing Joshua left over Dom Breazeale and it wont even be on PPV. This is just back to where he was 18 months ago.

    And by freezing Joshua out that has forced Joshua to accept a hell of alot of money to fight in MSG against an unbeaten American top 10 contender which is showing the signs of being a massive success.

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    • that g
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      #32
      Originally posted by R_Walken
      When almost half of the media / fighters agree with the decision that’s doesn’t say robbery

      look at the scorecards , Fury has the fight locked for the W , all he had to do in the 12th was not get dropped, But that’s what happened he gave it away

      The scorecards aren’t outrageous and almost the same except the judge who gave Wilder the first 4. But if you take away 1 of those first 4 rounds and have him score the 7th like
      The other 2 judges it still results in a MD

      when you get dropped twice in the last 4 rounds with the 2nd one leaving Fury lifeless for 6 seconds and have people wondering if they should call the coroner. it’s tough to make a case that you clearly deserved the decision when all Wilder needed for a draw after those KD and all 3 giving him the first round was 2 the judges giving him 1 of the remaining 8 rounds since 2 gave him the 7th.



      Quit the tears
      Four things can be right at the same time. Fury was robbed. Fury could have also avoided doubt by boxing smart in the 12th. Wilder’s team has done a terrible job with him, and if they had done better, wilder would have the fury rematch signed, and heck, maybe not even need fury at all. Fury also used the opportunity and convenience to **** wilder.

      All four things can be true at the same time.

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        #33
        Originally posted by denium
        Sources for any of those claims?

        And bollocks to all that "take the belt off the champion ****"

        You win more rounds, you win the fight. End of.

        Everyone knows Fury won that fight, find me one public poll that scored the fight to Wilder or a draw.

        Here's a tip, you can't. ^^
        Judges are human, judges are bias, judges are subjective. Typically, they score close fights to the fighter who wants it the most.

        In this case, it was Deontay Wilder because he left it all and everything behind in the ring but Tyson Fury did not. He held back. That's why he wasn't awarded the WBC heavyweight title.

        They felt he didn't try hard enough or do enough in order to justify taking that title away from the champion. You cannot always play it safe when it comes to championship boxing.

        At some point you are going to have to take a stand in order to be great and some risks but Fury didn't do that. He was very reluctant in doing so.

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          #34
          Originally posted by kafkod
          Did you watch the fckn fight?

          Fury got up from those 2 punches and stood right in front of Wilder with his hands behind his back, laughing and slipping shots, then went on the attack and was chasing Wilder round the ring when the final bell went.

          Wilder was the one who looked like his confidence had been crushed and his mojo snatched. Did you see the shocked look on his face when he saw Tyson getting up and stopped his premature victory dance?
          I watched the fight and how he got up and responded from that KD was f.ucking amazing. Total props to him for how he finished. I’m sure Wilder was shocked when a Fury took those 2 punches that’s had fighters look like their having a seizure. I don’t think amyone expected him to beat the count.

          I’m sure after the fight when the adrenaline wore off Tyson realized how how lucky he was taking those shots that he probably felt down to his bones and for beating the count. And that’s probably when the self doubt starting to creep in. Fury the master boxer who been dropped but never like that , realized he could outbox like he can against everyone else and fight a great fight but Wilder can still catch you with the hammer and if there was a next time he might not get up


          How could some punches That had him flat on your back not hurt. Have you ever been punched in the face ? It hurts , I can only imagine what getting hit by Wilder punch feels like,you aren’t honest to say it wouldn’t have hurt. They’re human not Comic book characters


          Originally posted by kafkod
          And - hypothetically - if all those judges had scored the fight fairly then Fury would have won and the rematch would be happening next on the terms they both agreed to in the contracts for the first fight.
          all the judges basically gave Wikder the same 4 rounds and with the KDs , It’s not a stretch to say they could find 1 more round to give him. Stop making excuses if Fury didn’t get dropped in the 12th he would have won but he did get dropped and cost himself the fight


          Originally posted by denium
          Absolute rubbish.

          Fury did exactly the same thing against Cunningham. Got dropped, took a few seconds to get himself straight, then got up on completely steady legs and proceeded to put on a beating.

          If Fury was badly hurt or concussed, he wouldn't have got up, and wouldn't have put a beating on his opponent until the end of the round.

          I know it's the only thing you Wilder fans can cling on to after your boy got schooled, but get over it, Fury was fine!
          I know I’ve been critical of Fury recently but I’ve been a fan of his for years , check my posts

          When this fight was made I said Fury wins if he doesn’t get clipped and he was on his way to doing just that. I’ve also stated I didn’t have a Problem with the draw I didn’t score it but Fury didn’t win 10 rounds like people think probably 7-8 , It’s hard to say you left no doubt who the winner was when you got dropped twice and left enough room for the draw to happen.

          Fury been dropped but never like that. That’s a different type of Ko one that crush fighters souls. And it would seem like it has Fury shook . When was the last time the perceived winner openly ran away from a rematch. When was the last time a fighter ran away and gave away a chance from potentially making history and being the best of his era. That punch took his mojo

          I’m a fan But I cant front and say this entire things hasn’t been some A-1 top shelf f.uckery on Tyson’s part and hasn’t been a good look

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            #35
            Originally posted by denium
            Not at all. Why should the winner give the loser a rematch and still expect the loser to call the shots?

            Wilder had a rematch clause in his contract. If Haymon hadn't robbed Fury, the rematch would be happening and Tyson wouldn't have a choice in the matter.

            Karma.
            Fury didn’t win. It was a draw. No I had him winning in my card but my card nor yours is official. The official card was a draw.

            They were negotiating in good faith and fury dipped out. This is on him. I get it- he wants to maximize his earning ability and doesn’t want to risk getting ktfo by wilder which could lower his ability to earn.

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              #36
              wilder is the blame for fury making a business decision, and his handlers not wanting him to sign a long term deal with espn?????

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                #37
                so basically either way it goes you all will flip it and find a way to blame wilder??? I get it but at some point you have to call a spade a spade, fury is the reason the fight isn't happening. smart move for his future but....

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by denium
                  If Haymon's judges hadn't robbed Fury of a clear W, then he would no doubt be getting his rematch next.
                  They weren't Haymon's judges. Neutral officials were brought in for the fight, including a British judge who scored the fight a draw.

                  Your cries of "robbery" are ridiculous.

                  AP, ESPN, Yahoo, LA Times, Sporting News, Washington Post, etc all had a draw or Wilder winning. When that many top level publications don't have Fury winning, you can't cry robbery when the official decision is a draw.

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                  • Dariusz
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                    #39
                    Many of you overestimate Wilder's hit strength. It was not Szpilka's hit strength.

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                    • R_Walken
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by that g
                      Four things can be right at the same time. Fury was robbed. Fury could have also avoided doubt by boxing smart in the 12th. Wilder’s team has done a terrible job with him, and if they had done better, wilder would have the fury rematch signed, and heck, maybe not even need fury at all. Fury also used the opportunity and convenience to **** wilder.

                      All four things can be true at the same time.
                      All 4 can be true but

                      I don’t think the fight was a robbery and neither do most people because 40% thought it was the right call

                      I don’t get the narrative of a Wilder having a horrible team . He literally has some of the most powerful men in the sport behind him . Responsible for the biggest fights and have guided for decades a countless List of the whos who in the sport . But somehow with Wikder who’ve they’ve managed to become the most popular active American Boxer they somehow dont know what they’re doing . How can that be

                      The opportunity to duck wilder and miss out on potentially making history. Why do that if you weren’t shook to the core.

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