Comments Thread For: Ward: Kovalev Not Same Fighter, But He'll Be Hard To Deal With

[aboutfkntime]

You flex these guys like Tom Cruise telling Brad Pitt the Vampire hood ways, no denying the facts!

who is the girl in your sig

[Curt Henning]

The only reason Ward 'won' that fight against Kessler was because it was in his own backyard, as were all of Ward's fights.

Also the only reason Ward had any 'success' as a fighter is because he was from the USA so he had a promotional angle. As he proved in his fights, he is no better of a boxer than Sakio Bika or Miranda or Barrera, and that is when you allow him to get away with all the dirty stuff. He is the most over-rated boxer I have ever seen, bar none. Just the way it is bro.

GGG and his resume are great whether you admit it to yourself or not. 17 good to great fighters, all different styles, all relatively in their prime and fighting well, and all clear wins. A really impressive resume for anyone who is not completely biased.

first off...

ward got the fights in the US but they were easy to make...no big fight with him in it ever got squashed because of it being in the US...all parties agreed and they were easy to make...and ward fought just about every big threat at the time at 168...then moved up and fought an unbeaten LHW champ who was top 5 p4p rated everywhere.....ward never had a good fight squashed because of venue....so piss off you fgt

ward has the "promotional angle because he was from the USA" ??? lol....that goes against everything his naysayers always said "ward cant sell ****"..."ward cant even sell out in his hometown...nobody knows who he is"....now i know you arent going to deny thats been said over and over on boxing boards are you?

so what angle is there? ward dont sell tickets...in vegas...in AC...in his hometown.....he dont have no fans...he doesnt bring no money...and his style isnt all that fan friendly....so whats the angle for ward and the benefit of him getting any "gifts" or "decisions" or "homecooking referees"???? the answer is there isnt any....if anything kovalev winning the first or 2nd fight benefits boxing more since his style is more appealing

[Thuglife Nelo]

who is the girl in your sig

there are two morsels. One is Ariana Grande. a fine little specimen in the style of Wladimir smashing midgets. The other girl is the voluptuous and sensational Demi Rose.

[aboutfkntime]

there are two morsels. One is Ariana Grande. a fine little specimen in the style of Wladimir smashing midgets. The other girl is the voluptuous and sensational Demi Rose.

[Boxing_1013]

You flex these guys like Tom Cruise telling Brad Pitt the Vampire hood ways, no denying the facts!

Speak English this is America

[Boxing_1013]

fact: Ward and canelo are both better fighters than hypekin

fact: Hypekin will be remembered as an underachiever

an underachiever, who got stripped for ducking derevyanchenko

there is no opinion.... Neither mine, nor yours.... There is only fact

o ok______________________

[Boxing_1013]

first off...

ward got the fights in the US but they were easy to make...no big fight with him in it ever got squashed because of it being in the US...all parties agreed and they were easy to make...and ward fought just about every big threat at the time at 168...then moved up and fought an unbeaten LHW champ who was top 5 p4p rated everywhere.....ward never had a good fight squashed because of venue....so piss off you fgt

ward has the "promotional angle because he was from the USA" ??? lol....that goes against everything his naysayers always said "ward cant sell ****"..."ward cant even sell out in his hometown...nobody knows who he is"....now i know you arent going to deny thats been said over and over on boxing boards are you?

so what angle is there? ward dont sell tickets...in vegas...in AC...in his hometown.....he dont have no fans...he doesnt bring no money...and his style isnt all that fan friendly....so whats the angle for ward and the benefit of him getting any "gifts" or "decisions" or "homecooking referees"???? the answer is there isnt any....if anything kovalev winning the first or 2nd fight benefits boxing more since his style is more appealing

I've read some of your posts before man. Much like this one they are devoid of sound reasoning, filled with grammatical and spelling errors, and extremely biased in favor of the fighter that looks like you.

Serious question - do you think you're a smart guy? Like above average intelligence? From your posts and your reading comprehension and analysis you come across as very ****** honestly.

Your whole first paragraph, I don't even know what you're attempting to say. You don't make any sense - are you really that ******. He had opportunities for lucrative fights against Bute or Froch in their home countries but didn't take them because he knew he needed his home cooking to ensure a win. I thought he edged Froch 7-5 but I think he knew that if he fought the same fight in the UK he may not get the decision.

And why he pussied out and didn't fight Bute, well again he was probably concerned that he would go 12 rounds, as he always did, and fight a close fight, as he always did. But maybe he wouldn't get away with the elbows and headbutts, and if he did, maybe he wouldn't get the favorable scorecards in Canada like he did in the US. To deny that those fights were offered to Ward and to imply that he didn't turn them down, well you're an idiot. This is not an opinion or subjective thing, those are verifiable proven things. Do some research bro.

168 was a very weak division anyway. Ward's only good non-controversial win in his entire career is a 7-5 win over Froch. Wow what a career.

I'll try to explain this to you, but I can't understand it for you. The money for boxing is in 3 countries/fan bases mainly: US UK and Mexico. If you are a fighter from those countries you will likely receive a lot of hype and promotional opportunities. If you are some similarly skilled boxer like Bika, or Barrera or Miranda or Chilemba from Cameroon Cuba Colombia or Malawi, and can barely speak English and have a similarly un-inspiring story and/or fighting style, you will never receive the same hype as a guy from the US UK or Mexico. That is where all the money is and where most of the fans are. Btw all those guys
I mentioned are blacker than Ward so spare me any race BS.

Guys from US UK Mexico are sold more than others because they know there are people, like you, who will blindly support a guy who you can relate to and who looks like you. I mean, you do understand that right? Nothing wrong with rooting for a guy you can identify with but when you hype a guy up and the tape says something completely different you look very foolish.

Your last paragraph, again, is indicative of you not really being very smart. What's the angle of him getting homecooking? He was at home you dumbass. That's why he got the decisions he got and was able to fight the way he fought. As I mentioned before, even though Ward may not have been a big star, because he was American he had much more promotional ability and brought in a lot more money than Bika Barrera Miranda or Chilemba winning.

That is the incentive to keep him fighting at home and winning. He was still able to make some money for his handlers even if he wasn't a superstar. And trust me the plan for Ward was to try and make him into the next Mayweather, but for whatever reason he wasn't polarizing enough and never caught on as a big enough draw. They wanted him fighting at home, going 12 rounds and 'winning' decisions, and having some people tune in to root for him, but most people tuning in to see him lose and get that first L. Rinse, repeat. Rinse, repeat.

That hope and investment in him of potentially bringing in lots of money never panned out, Floyd caught lightning in a bottle to be as successful as he was. Broner probably comes closest to doing what Floyd did but after Broner lost to Maidana most people saw him get his first loss and that was enough for them,

I think Ward was a tough smart fighter but if he was from another country, and couldn't fight all of his fights at home, he would have a few DQs and a few clear Ls on his resume. Just the way it is. Anyone questioning whether Ward gets home cooking after watching the first Kov fight, or the Kessler fight, or the 2nd Kov fight, or the Bika or Barrera fights/scorecards is crazy lol. He obviously did. If he ever fought any of those guys in a neutral location with a fair ref and judges he would probably have a losing record with 1 or 2 DQs.

For you to question why Ward, as an American, would get home cooking in a fight, in America, against a guy from Denmark or Russia or Colombia or Cameroon is ridiculous. Before the first Kov fight, Ward would was ushered along with 10-2 scorecards in 6-6 fights because he was Andre Ward and he was fighting in Oakland and that's what happens when you fight in your own backyard. No judge was going to 'derail' his career because Ward was supposed to be a big star, even if his talents weren't backing that up and even if he wasn't a big star yet. That's what happens when you are promoted as a big star and fight all your fights in your literal backyard.

With the first Kov fight, I think Roc Nation had something to do with those cards in some way, there is no way for a fair judge to find 7 rounds for Ward in that fight, let alone all 3 judges. So his first fights of Ward's career were basically just home cooking favoring the home fighter. The Kov fight was evidence of some clear underhanded stuff going on with the promoters/judges/ref, favoring the home fighter, Ward. Shockingly wasn't even the worst robbery of that card...Roc Nation robbed Darleys Perez and hooked up Hooker way worse.

So please tell us again how promoters never make sure their prospect, that they have invested millions into sometimes, gets a favorable result in a boxing match, when again, they have MILLIONS riding on his success as a boxer.

[Curt Henning]

I've read some of your posts before man. Much like this one they are devoid of sound reasoning, filled with grammatical and spelling errors, and extremely biased in favor of the fighter that looks like you.

Serious question - do you think you're a smart guy? Like above average intelligence? From your posts and your reading comprehension and analysis you come across as very ****** honestly.

Your whole first paragraph, I don't even know what you're attempting to say. You don't make any sense - are you really that ******. He had opportunities for lucrative fights against Bute or Froch in their home countries but didn't take them because he knew he needed his home cooking to ensure a win. I thought he edged Froch 7-5 but I think he knew that if he fought the same fight in the UK he may not get the decision.

And why he pussied out and didn't fight Bute, well again he was probably concerned that he would go 12 rounds, as he always did, and fight a close fight, as he always did. But maybe he wouldn't get away with the elbows and headbutts, and if he did, maybe he wouldn't get the favorable scorecards in Canada like he did in the US. To deny that those fights were offered to Ward and to imply that he didn't turn them down, well you're an idiot. This is not an opinion or subjective thing, those are verifiable proven things. Do some research bro.

168 was a very weak division anyway. Ward's only good non-controversial win in his entire career is a 7-5 win over Froch. Wow what a career.

I'll try to explain this to you, but I can't understand it for you. The money for boxing is in 3 countries/fan bases mainly: US UK and Mexico. If you are a fighter from those countries you will likely receive a lot of hype and promotional opportunities. If you are some similarly skilled boxer like Bika, or Barrera or Miranda or Chilemba from Cameroon Cuba Colombia or Malawi, and can barely speak English and have a similarly un-inspiring story and/or fighting style, you will never receive the same hype as a guy from the US UK or Mexico. That is where all the money is and where most of the fans are. Btw all those guys
I mentioned are blacker than Ward so spare me any race BS.

Guys from US UK Mexico are sold more than others because they know there are people, like you, who will blindly support a guy who you can relate to and who looks like you. I mean, you do understand that right? Nothing wrong with rooting for a guy you can identify with but when you hype a guy up and the tape says something completely different you look very foolish.

Your last paragraph, again, is indicative of you not really being very smart. What's the angle of him getting homecooking? He was at home you dumbass. That's why he got the decisions he got and was able to fight the way he fought. As I mentioned before, even though Ward may not have been a big star, because he was American he had much more promotional ability and brought in a lot more money than Bika Barrera Miranda or Chilemba winning.

That is the incentive to keep him fighting at home and winning. He was still able to make some money for his handlers even if he wasn't a superstar. And trust me the plan for Ward was to try and make him into the next Mayweather, but for whatever reason he wasn't polarizing enough and never caught on as a big enough draw. They wanted him fighting at home, going 12 rounds and 'winning' decisions, and having some people tune in to root for him, but most people tuning in to see him lose and get that first L. Rinse, repeat. Rinse, repeat.

That hope and investment in him of potentially bringing in lots of money never panned out, Floyd caught lightning in a bottle to be as successful as he was. Broner probably comes closest to doing what Floyd did but after Broner lost to Maidana most people saw him get his first loss and that was enough for them,

I think Ward was a tough smart fighter but if he was from another country, and couldn't fight all of his fights at home, he would have a few DQs and a few clear Ls on his resume. Just the way it is. Anyone questioning whether Ward gets home cooking after watching the first Kov fight, or the Kessler fight, or the 2nd Kov fight, or the Bika or Barrera fights/scorecards is crazy lol. He obviously did. If he ever fought any of those guys in a neutral location with a fair ref and judges he would probably have a losing record with 1 or 2 DQs.

For you to question why Ward, as an American, would get home cooking in a fight, in America, against a guy from Denmark or Russia or Colombia or Cameroon is ridiculous. Before the first Kov fight, Ward would was ushered along with 10-2 scorecards in 6-6 fights because he was Andre Ward and he was fighting in Oakland and that's what happens when you fight in your own backyard. No judge was going to 'derail' his career because Ward was supposed to be a big star, even if his talents weren't backing that up and even if he wasn't a big star yet. That's what happens when you are promoted as a big star and fight all your fights in your literal backyard.

With the first Kov fight, I think Roc Nation had something to do with those cards in some way, there is no way for a fair judge to find 7 rounds for Ward in that fight, let alone all 3 judges. So his first fights of Ward's career were basically just home cooking favoring the home fighter. The Kov fight was evidence of some clear underhanded stuff going on with the promoters/judges/ref, favoring the home fighter, Ward. Shockingly wasn't even the worst robbery of that card...Roc Nation robbed Darleys Perez and hooked up Hooker way worse.

So please tell us again how promoters never make sure their prospect, that they have invested millions into sometimes, gets a favorable result in a boxing match, when again, they have MILLIONS riding on his success as a boxer.

"biased in favor of the fighter that looks like you"

LOL...let me stop you there

do you know that im a white male from new england? lol...i bet you didnt...i bet you assume im some hoodrat from the inner city "with no teef that smokes crack"....ive put my pic in my avatar and can easily verify who i am

who are you again? a guy that was wrong right off the bat.....a nameless, faceless, internet entity typing a bunch of rambling bull****

LOL

[Curt Henning]

lmao@this boxing1013 clown

lucien bute?!?!?! lucien bute?!?! hahahahaha

ward told bute to go beat one credible guy and he could get a fight....ward went through the super 6 and bute sat back and beat bums....ward said "beat one decent guy and ill fight you"...and then bute got ****ing rocked by froch...lol

these clowns crack me up with the "lucien bute was wards boogeyman" BS....too much...

[Curt Henning]

I've read some of your posts before man. Much like this one they are devoid of sound reasoning, filled with grammatical and spelling errors, and extremely biased in favor of the fighter that looks like you.

Serious question - do you think you're a smart guy? Like above average intelligence? From your posts and your reading comprehension and analysis you come across as very ****** honestly.

Your whole first paragraph, I don't even know what you're attempting to say. You don't make any sense - are you really that ******. He had opportunities for lucrative fights against Bute or Froch in their home countries but didn't take them because he knew he needed his home cooking to ensure a win. I thought he edged Froch 7-5 but I think he knew that if he fought the same fight in the UK he may not get the decision.

And why he pussied out and didn't fight Bute, well again he was probably concerned that he would go 12 rounds, as he always did, and fight a close fight, as he always did. But maybe he wouldn't get away with the elbows and headbutts, and if he did, maybe he wouldn't get the favorable scorecards in Canada like he did in the US. To deny that those fights were offered to Ward and to imply that he didn't turn them down, well you're an idiot. This is not an opinion or subjective thing, those are verifiable proven things. Do some research bro.

168 was a very weak division anyway. Ward's only good non-controversial win in his entire career is a 7-5 win over Froch. Wow what a career.

I'll try to explain this to you, but I can't understand it for you. The money for boxing is in 3 countries/fan bases mainly: US UK and Mexico. If you are a fighter from those countries you will likely receive a lot of hype and promotional opportunities. If you are some similarly skilled boxer like Bika, or Barrera or Miranda or Chilemba from Cameroon Cuba Colombia or Malawi, and can barely speak English and have a similarly un-inspiring story and/or fighting style, you will never receive the same hype as a guy from the US UK or Mexico. That is where all the money is and where most of the fans are. Btw all those guys
I mentioned are blacker than Ward so spare me any race BS.

Guys from US UK Mexico are sold more than others because they know there are people, like you, who will blindly support a guy who you can relate to and who looks like you. I mean, you do understand that right? Nothing wrong with rooting for a guy you can identify with but when you hype a guy up and the tape says something completely different you look very foolish.

Your last paragraph, again, is indicative of you not really being very smart. What's the angle of him getting homecooking? He was at home you dumbass. That's why he got the decisions he got and was able to fight the way he fought. As I mentioned before, even though Ward may not have been a big star, because he was American he had much more promotional ability and brought in a lot more money than Bika Barrera Miranda or Chilemba winning.

That is the incentive to keep him fighting at home and winning. He was still able to make some money for his handlers even if he wasn't a superstar. And trust me the plan for Ward was to try and make him into the next Mayweather, but for whatever reason he wasn't polarizing enough and never caught on as a big enough draw. They wanted him fighting at home, going 12 rounds and 'winning' decisions, and having some people tune in to root for him, but most people tuning in to see him lose and get that first L. Rinse, repeat. Rinse, repeat.

That hope and investment in him of potentially bringing in lots of money never panned out, Floyd caught lightning in a bottle to be as successful as he was. Broner probably comes closest to doing what Floyd did but after Broner lost to Maidana most people saw him get his first loss and that was enough for them,

I think Ward was a tough smart fighter but if he was from another country, and couldn't fight all of his fights at home, he would have a few DQs and a few clear Ls on his resume. Just the way it is. Anyone questioning whether Ward gets home cooking after watching the first Kov fight, or the Kessler fight, or the 2nd Kov fight, or the Bika or Barrera fights/scorecards is crazy lol. He obviously did. If he ever fought any of those guys in a neutral location with a fair ref and judges he would probably have a losing record with 1 or 2 DQs.

For you to question why Ward, as an American, would get home cooking in a fight, in America, against a guy from Denmark or Russia or Colombia or Cameroon is ridiculous. Before the first Kov fight, Ward would was ushered along with 10-2 scorecards in 6-6 fights because he was Andre Ward and he was fighting in Oakland and that's what happens when you fight in your own backyard. No judge was going to 'derail' his career because Ward was supposed to be a big star, even if his talents weren't backing that up and even if he wasn't a big star yet. That's what happens when you are promoted as a big star and fight all your fights in your literal backyard.

With the first Kov fight, I think Roc Nation had something to do with those cards in some way, there is no way for a fair judge to find 7 rounds for Ward in that fight, let alone all 3 judges. So his first fights of Ward's career were basically just home cooking favoring the home fighter. The Kov fight was evidence of some clear underhanded stuff going on with the promoters/judges/ref, favoring the home fighter, Ward. Shockingly wasn't even the worst robbery of that card...Roc Nation robbed Darleys Perez and hooked up Hooker way worse.

So please tell us again how promoters never make sure their prospect, that they have invested millions into sometimes, gets a favorable result in a boxing match, when again, they have MILLIONS riding on his success as a boxer.

did u really imply that ward needed homecooking to beat chilembas, mirandas, bikas and barreras? hahahahaha

and youre calling me dumb? lol....dude...get a grip on reality

ward even went over to the east coast....where nobody really knew who he was.....heck froch had won more fans over there beating jermain taylor at foxwoods(i was there).......and he beat froch clean and fair...froch even acknowledges he lost to the better man fair and square...but here you are rambling about wards homecooking lol.....you are a sad lot bruh