True or False: Prime Roy Jones jr was on another level than Prime Floyd?

[A-Wolf]

Not sure but I do know that Roy Jones threw the greatest 1-2 in boxing history.



It's actually a bit of a hookerjab but still..

[Robbie Barrett]

Yes he was on another level. A level BELOW.

[A-Wolf]

Not sure but I do know that Roy Jones threw the greatest 1-2 in boxing history.



It's actually a bit of a hookerjab but still..

The weirdest thing about watching a prime RJJ fight are moments like these. It was so commonplace for Roy to do something supernatural Lampley and co wouldn't even react.

[SplitSecond]

Johnson was campaigning at the weight but he was a blown up MW. Was never a LHW despite winning gold there much like Marquez at 147. But putting the weight aside he was DEFINITELY way past his best. So, how is that not a double standard? Floyd fights faded fighters yet you list Johnson who was faded himself in 99. How does that work?

Ah, so a guy being green is down to how many fights they've had? That's also interesting then because when Floyd fought Canelo Floyd had had 44 fights and Canelo had had 43 fights. So how do you explain that?

Hopkins was pretty green in 1993. But if Canelo was green in 2013 then Hopkins was extremely green in 93. Going by that standard.

They are both literally double standards by definition. If Canelo was green, Hopkins was green. Whatever way you justify Canelo being green can be carbon copied and used for Hopkins.

And roy jones started at lmw. There was no difference there, reggie had been there, he was competing, he was there, he wasnt dragged up, old and fat.

Take any opening you want to lie to yourself, hopkins and roy were close to each other even if roy did have more experience. In gil clancy's word they were the best each had fought at that point in their careers. However you think Jones performed vs Hopkins then, it would have been much worse if Roy was the experienced vet he went on to become in his peak vs that Hopkins, that's what Floyd basically did to Canelo. Mayweather absolutely dwarfed him in experience.Canelo needed to have atleast fought Lara before Floyd, but he was just a kid high on his own hype.

[pillowfists98]

No, Floyd in his prime was a more complete and talented fighter. Floyd also clearly has the better resume.

[IronDanHamza]

And roy jones started at lmw. There was no difference there, reggie had been there, he was competing, he was there, he wasnt dragged up, old and fat.

Take any opening you want to lie to yourself, hopkins and roy were close to each other even if roy did have more experience. In gil clancy's word they were the best each ahd fought at that point in their careers. However you think Jones performed vs Hopkins then, it would have been much worse if Roy was the experienced vet he went on to become in his peak vs that Hopkins, that's what Floyd basically did to Canelo. Mayweather absolutely dwarfed him in experience.

Ok and Floyd started at 130 Reggie was never a LHW unlike Jones who was a beast at LHW.

But like I said, forget the weight. You said Floyd fought faded fighters. Are you telling me that Reggie Johnson wasn't faded in 1999?

Well yeah Roy was quite green himself, doesn't stop Hopkins from being green. And I could easily argue Floyd was faded and past it at age 36. Either way if Canelo's green as a world Champion then Hopkins certainly was green. But you're saying it's different because Roy was also green.

Also, I don't think Roy really performed in that fight. Pretty underwhelming. He didn't exactly light the place on fire did he. He won an uneventful fight. At age 36 vs that Hopkins he'd probably lose.

[CatchAndShoot]

Prime RJJ simply because he could overwhelm you with his offense as well as his defense, whereas with Floyd, if he's facing a really good fighter, he doesn't open up with his offense as much, and relies on back stepping, and defense.

[pillowfists98]

Depends how you compare them. People seem to have the jist of it from the responses. One thing that has not been mentioned, which should be: Roy beat great fighters in their prime, possible ATG's and made it look easy. That would be Hopkins and Toney of course... Mayweather never beat a great fighter in their prime. Floyd also did not make it look easy when he fought opposition like Oscar and Pacquia.

Hopkins was still very green and not in his prime yet and Toney was badly weight drained when he fought Roy. This is well documented. If Hopkins had fought Roy in 98' or 99' it would have been a much closer and competitive fight.

[SplitSecond]

Ok and Floyd started at 130 Reggie was never a LHW unlike Jones who was a beast at LHW.

But like I said, forget the weight. You said Floyd fought faded fighters. Are you telling me that Reggie Johnson wasn't faded in 1999?

Well yeah Roy was quite green himself, doesn't stop Hopkins from being green. And I could easily argue Floyd was faded and past it at age 36. Either way if Canelo's green as a world Champion then Hopkins certainly was green. But you're saying it's different because Roy was also green.

Also, I don't think Roy really performed in that fight. Pretty underwhelming. He didn't exactly light the place on fire did he. He won an uneventful fight. At age 36 vs that Hopkins he'd probably lose.

This would be the third time i'd have to repeat myself on blowing up. Just re-read a previous post if you want my reply. To the other point if they were both green then where is the disadvantage, they were matched fine.

Not arguing their longevity, I said peak, Roy was shot by 36. Floyd was barely faded, even at 36. I dont remember his fights but i've never thought johnson looked faded. Just because you're not running around doesnt mean you're past it, roy jones was not the same mover in his prime as he was early in his career. Although im sure johnson was likely faded a bit(how old was he?).

[McNulty]

Was Roy just on another level the way Floyd is another another than someone like Thurman... Or was the gap smaller?

I was watching old videos of Floyd before he became Money Mayweather, and he was very quick and flashy too an extent, but I don't think he could physically pull off the same things in the ring that Prime Roy could. Roy didn't just seem faster but he seemed more explosive from a stand still... I never saw Floyd fire off 3, 4 left hooks like Roy either (where it looks like a big cat swiping its paw), or put his hands behind his back, or do those leaping hooks with his arm completely down hanging.

Jones was on another level that Floyd, yes. Jones size had a lot to do with it though cuz athletically they're pretty close. You need to be a certain size to pull off Jones' moves. I have seen Floyd with the rapid fire cat-like hooks, but that was young Floyd before his hands started to wear.

I my opinion, the gap between Floyd and Jones is a helluva lot smaller than the gap between Thurman and Floyd. Thurman is like B- Level compared to Floyd who is like A++ and Jones was like an A+++.

Garcia in his prime almost lost to Morales the first go around. The only reason why Garcia got him was because Morales was waaaaaay shot and out of his weight. But the talent gap was pretty obvious.

Those leaping hooks are check-hooks and Floyd's is pretty nice. One of the best check-hooks of all time. Check-hook is a left hook counter (inside or outside) to a right hand. You can leap, feint, slip back/left/right depending on your skill level.