Comments Thread For: Dillian Whyte, Eddie Hearn Trade Words Over Joshua Deal Fallout

[Ake-Dawg]

lol "casuals don't care about belts..."
the very reason terrence crawford has every bit of popularity he has right now as a pound for pound top is precisely because of the belts he has won at the levels he has won them! fury is popular because he never lost his belts in a ring, and he is at least a champion of some sort, even if he is paper champ by definition. in any case, nothing you wrote disproves anything i said, or answers anything about why or how either fury or wilder has surpassed AJ in any way.

come on man... what happened to you? when i joined this forum you were at least trying be neutral. i used to enjoy debating with you because you at least came with some valid and fair points.

now you're just like every other shill on this site. you're not even pretending to be even a bit willing to recognize facts and realities anymore. its like wbc wba ibfraud took over your account.

Listen...separate purse size from popularity. More people know of Wilder and Fury now than people know Joshua. Why? Those two have appealed socially in America and the UK due to the antics dismayed during their promotion and the dramatic ending of the fight. Joshua is wildly popular in the UK but has zero American appeal. Belts don't give you that. My example is that Crawford has belts with no social appeal, thus his numbers are pedestrian.

Listen, there are three types of fans that support fighters. Boxing fans, sports fans, casuals. Wilder and Fury NOW tap into all three both locally and across the pond. Fury is in GQ magazine for goodness sake! This isn't about sides, it's just reality. Joshua hasn't fought anybody or done anything that's going to reach a casual that isn't from the UK.

[Ake-Dawg]

I wouldn't have done that if you weren't so disrespectful! GGG had damn there all the belts @ 160, but Canelo was still the man he had to beat! Crawford unified all the belts @ 140, yet many were still not impressed because of who he beat for the titles! Joshua has 3 belts, but he has not fought Ortiz, Wilder, nor Fury, so even his own fans are getting restless because they don't want to see him fight Whyte nor Miller! Belts are only as good as who you beat for them!

You're expecting a Joshua fan to understand the perspective of a boxing fan. Those that are boxing fans to like or favor Wilder or Joshua get it. Who you beat and how you beat them matters to real boxing fans. Too many Joshua fans want to crown him king without him beating the top guys. The three fighters represent the toughest challenges to Joshua...Fury boxing, Wilder athleticsm and power, Ortiz southpaw boxing.

[Bonduu]

I wouldn't have done that if you weren't so disrespectful! GGG had damn there all the belts @ 160, but Canelo was still the man he had to beat! Crawford unified all the belts @ 140, yet many were still not impressed because of who he beat for the titles! Joshua has 3 belts, but he has not fought Ortiz, Wilder, nor Fury, so even his own fans are getting restless because they don't want to see him fight Whyte nor Miller! Belts are only as good as who you beat for them!

I think it all boils down to how good a fighter is promoted, take for example Matchroom fighters such as Bellew, Whyte, Del Boy, AJ...this guys have made multi millions because Eddie surely knows how to promote and hype fights, American promoters such as Al Haymon do not promote his fighters, Wilder a champ for many years still earn peanuts and Fury just gave him his biggest purse while fighters with losses and no belts like Del Boy make more millions...Crawford should join DAZN and matchroom, if I was Wilder I would ditch my 5 managers and go fight under Matchroom, Hearn would make him a superstar!

[that g]

Listen...separate purse size from popularity. More people know of Wilder and Fury now than people know Joshua. Why? Those two have appealed socially in America and the UK due to the antics dismayed during their promotion and the dramatic ending of the fight. Joshua is wildly popular in the UK but has zero American appeal. Belts don't give you that. My example is that Crawford has belts with no social appeal, thus his numbers are pedestrian.

Listen, there are three types of fans that support fighters. Boxing fans, sports fans, casuals. Wilder and Fury NOW tap into all three both locally and across the pond. Fury is in GQ magazine for goodness sake! This isn't about sides, it's just reality. Joshua hasn't fought anybody or done anything that's going to reach a casual that isn't from the UK.

bruh. anthony joshua has commercials running in africa. wilder can't even get a billboard in alabama.

for you to claim fury/wilder are now somehow more popular than AJ who has worldwide endorsements is just showing you are deluded. fact remains, there is no measurable data point you can use to argue that fury or wilder is more popular than AJ.
we'll see when the AJ fight sells out MSG.

[Bronx2245]

I think it all boils down to how good a fighter is promoted, take for example Matchroom fighters such as Bellew, Whyte, Del Boy, AJ...this guys have made multi millions because Eddie surely knows how to promote and hype fights, American promoters such as Al Haymon do not promote his fighters, Wilder a champ for many years still earn peanuts and Fury just gave him his biggest purse while fighters with losses and no belts like Del Boy make more millions...Crawford should join DAZN and matchroom, if I was Wilder I would ditch my 5 managers and go fight under Matchroom, Hearn would make him a superstar!

Al Haymon is not a promoter, and a lot of his fighters don't have one either. "Cut out the middle man!" Crawford would be in the same position at MatchRoom. He might make more money, but he would be no closer to fighting Thurman, Pacquiao, Spence Jr., Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, or Porter, if he were at MatchRoom! With a list like that, it's obvious where Crawford needs to be! Wilder might benefit for the Joshua fight, maybe 2 of them, but PBC has Ortiz, Kownacki, Ajagba, Joyce, Yoka, Hunter, and possibly Whyte soon. If he's only gonna be in the game 1-2 years, maybe he should consider it? The question is, does signing with MatchRoom/DAZN give you Joshua? We'll see if Miller gets his shot in June!

[Bonduu]

Al Haymon is not a promoter, and a lot of his fighters don't have one either. "Cut out the middle man!" Crawford would be in the same position at MatchRoom. He might make more money, but he would be no closer to fighting Thurman, Pacquiao, Spence Jr., Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, or Porter, if he were at MatchRoom! With a list like that, it's obvious where Crawford needs to be! Wilder might benefit for the Joshua fight, maybe 2 of them, but PBC has Ortiz, Kownacki, Ajagba, Joyce, Yoka, Hunter, and possibly Whyte soon. If he's only gonna be in the game 1-2 years, maybe he should consider it? The question is, does signing with MatchRoom/DAZN give you Joshua? We'll see if Miller gets his shot in June!

Yea I get your point, but if Al Haymon isn’t a promoter then what is he? boxers need some level of promotion and that is where a promoter comes into play, for example Del Boy and Whyte are prime examples who are actively making millions under Matchroom, Hearn has carefully given his stable big fights and they have made millions...Bellew just retired a multi-millionaire while PBC fighters earn less than 1m except Wilder who makes a bit more. Regarding Miller, I’d Whyte ducks AJ and overprices himself Miller gets that fight if he faces reality and accepts whatever Hearn offers because we all know he does not deserve a shot at the title or a chance to win 3 belts or more than 2-3million purse.

[Bronx2245]

Yea I get your point, but if Al Haymon isn’t a promoter then what is he? boxers need some level of promotion and that is where a promoter comes into play, for example Del Boy and Whyte are prime examples who are actively making millions under Matchroom, Hearn has carefully given his stable big fights and they have made millions...Bellew just retired a multi-millionaire while PBC fighters earn less than 1m except Wilder who makes a bit more. Regarding Miller, I’d Whyte ducks AJ and overprices himself Miller gets that fight if he faces reality and accepts whatever Hearn offers because we all know he does not deserve a shot at the title or a chance to win 3 belts or more than 2-3million purse.

If Whyte isn't going to take the fight, Miller has more leverage! Salita and Cohen know this! Who is Joshua going to fight if not Miller or Whyte? Hearn also has said that he doesn't make the offers, AJ does! So if the deal doesn't get done, like so many others in the past, I guess the blame is on Joshua, and not Hearn?

[Bonduu]

If Whyte isn't going to take the fight, Miller has more leverage! Salita and Cohen know this! Who is Joshua going to fight if not Miller or Whyte? Hearn also has said that he doesn't make the offers, AJ does! So if the deal doesn't get done, like so many others in the past, I guess the blame is on Joshua, and not Hearn?

If the deal does not get made then the blame should fall on the B side... if you recollect, Mayweather had to take the short end of the purse to be who he is today... he had the confidence in his ability and knew wants he beats the champ the flood gates of both money and popularity opens up for him...Whyte knows he would lose against AJ hence over pricing himself, when the WBO calls for its mandatory he gets less than 25% of the purse, if you were AJ seriously would you offer more? Boxing is a business first and not some charity.

[Ake-Dawg]

bruh. anthony joshua has commercials running in africa. wilder can't even get a billboard in alabama.

for you to claim fury/wilder are now somehow more popular than AJ who has worldwide endorsements is just showing you are deluded. fact remains, there is no measurable data point you can use to argue that fury or wilder is more popular than AJ.
we'll see when the AJ fight sells out MSG.

So you know he has an endorsement in his home country, characterized it as all of Africa, then claimed it as worldwide. Great. Canada? Mexico? America? Come on now...don't stretch the truth. Besides...how many endorsements did Mayweather have?

Funny you say there is no measurable data point yet you speak as if you have one.

[Ake-Dawg]

I think it all boils down to how good a fighter is promoted, take for example Matchroom fighters such as Bellew, Whyte, Del Boy, AJ...this guys have made multi millions because Eddie surely knows how to promote and hype fights, American promoters such as Al Haymon do not promote his fighters, Wilder a champ for many years still earn peanuts and Fury just gave him his biggest purse while fighters with losses and no belts like Del Boy make more millions...Crawford should join DAZN and matchroom, if I was Wilder I would ditch my 5 managers and go fight under Matchroom, Hearn would make him a superstar!

As Hearn is finding out the hard way, the American boxing market is different. The market isn't as concentrated as it is in the UK and sports fans view boxing differently than boxing is viewed in the UK. Likely due to the number of major sports to follow. NBA, NFL, MLB, MLS, NHL, Boxing.

Shouldn't comments made regarding the American market or comparisons made between UK fighters and American fighters be made taking the market and business structure differences into consideration.