calzaghe vs pavlik

[DreamFighter]

"I knew that if Calzaghe faced Pavlik, he would put on a master-class similar to the one he delivered against Jeff Lacy. What better way to leave the sport? I’d agreed terms with Pavlik’s promoter Bob Arum for the fight...I’d also ensured the fight would have taken place at 170lb...Instead Joe decided to face Roy Jones Jnr in New York." -Frank Warren

not here to blame calzaghe for ducking pavlik and cowardly fighting a shot fighter. why did hbo enable this to happen is my question? they could have said fight pavlik or get off our network. they actually thought the corpse of roy jones jr vs welsh guy who did the worst ratings on their network was a good idea? thank you for being gone and not being able to make anymore ****** decisions. if they thought this was a good fight that would make them money they deserve to be dead. it was bad for boxing and business. shouldnt you at least have one of those?

joe had to, or else his resume would only have three or four guys on it for a 12 year period that was supposed to be world level (3 guys is what a 3 year resume would have), and shot jones will look good in 20 years time because people wont factor in he was shot 20 years from now.

[IronDanHamza]

joe had to, or else his resume would only have three or four guys on it for a 12 year period that was supposed to be world level (3 guys is what a 3 year resume would have), and shot jones will look good in 20 years time because people wont factor in he was shot 20 years from now.

He only has 3 guys regardless including Jones.

In 100 years time a simple google search will tell you Jones was 40 years old and shot to pieces.

Hopkins win over Pavlik will age a million times better. That could have been Calzaghe but instead he fought Jones' corpse.

[DreamFighter]

He only has 3 guys regardless including Jones.

In 100 years time a simple google search will tell you Jones was 40 years old and shot to pieces.

Hopkins win over Pavlik will age a million times better. That could have been Calzaghe but instead he fought Jones' corpse.

na 3 guys discluding Jones.

He had Reid (although it was a disputed loss, Reid mashed his face up and Joe understandably fled a rematch)

He had Kessler (albeit he only came out of hiding to fight him when Kessler should have been in surgery, and Joe jumped a division to avoid a rematch)

He had Lacy (obviously a weak titlist like say Sakio Bika).

You could add Sakio Bika now I think about it.


But I agree just about everyone else on his resume was irrelevant at SMW.

You can see why he kept it mean. If he'd fought someone of Robin Reids ability whom he arguably lost to, for the rest of his 14 fights at SMW, he had have average about 7 losses. Which would look like a terrible resume.

This is why he kept fighting bums until a weakling like Lacy came along, to stop the losses accumulating.

[IronDanHamza]

na 3 guys discluding Jones.

He had Reid (although it was a disputed loss)

He had Kessler (albeit he fought him when Kessler should have been in surgery)

He had Lacy (obviously a weak titlist like say Sakio Bika).

You could add Sakio Bika now I think about it.


But I agree just about everyone else on his resume was irrelevant at SMW.

You can see why he kept it mean. If he'd fought someone of Robin Reids ability whom he arguably lost to, for the rest of his 14 fights at SMW, he had have average about 7 losses. Which would look like a terrible resume.

He fought 3 guys in the top 5.

Hopkins, Lacy, Kessler.

Pavlik obviously wasnt top 5 either at LHW but it still would have been one of his best wins which is embarrassing.

A damn site better than Jones.

[DreamFighter]

He fought 3 guys in the top 5.

Hopkins, Lacy, Kessler.

Pavlik obviously wasnt top 5 either at LHW but it still would have been one of his best wins which is embarrassing.

A damn site better than Jones.

naa i think reid was a top five SMW at the time, thats why Joe arguably lost to him. He was used to unranked bums and cripples and Reid surprised him by not being crippled yet.



Credit to joe for scraping the win against his first world class opponent, but you can understand why he ran in fear from a rematch with reid to facing loads of bums for years after that.

But yeh he could have fought Pavlik, but I dont think you understand it is not the Calzaghe way to do that. After one good win, he then spends the next 6 years facing bums. This is the Calzaghe way. 1 good opponent followed by 5 years of bums.

As opposed to the Froch method - face one bad opponent every 5 years and the rest of the time fight good ones.

This might be why Joe ended up on the coke and abuses married life, becasue he knows his life is a lie...whereas Froch has hot wife and is clean.

[IronDanHamza]

naa i think reid was a top five SMW at the time, thats why Joe arguably lost to him. He was used to unranked bums and cripples and Reid surprised him by not being crippled yet.



Credit to joe for scraping the win against his first world class opponent, but you can understand why he ran in fear from a rematch with reid to facing loads of bums for years after that.

But yeh he could have fought Pavlik, but I dont think you understand it is not the Calzaghe way to do that. After one good win, he then spends the next 6 years facing bums. This is the Calzaghe way. 1 good opponent followed by 5 years of bums.

As opposed to the Froch method - face one bad opponent every 5 years and the rest of the time fight good ones.

This might be why Joe ended up on the coke and abuses married life, becasue he knows his life is a lie...whereas Froch has hot wife and is clean.

Yeah, no Reid definitely wasn't in the Top 5.

[DreamFighter]

Yeah, no Reid definitely wasn't in the Top 5.

oh ok. I thought he was as a guy who had only just lost his title the previous year (though I use the term lost loosely as it was to cheating Sven Ottke).

[frosty-g]

pavlik had zero skill, could just hit pretty hard, that was it.

[Earl-Hickey]

It is an interesting question, the only thing i can think of is JC thought he'd be proving some sort of point by beating even an old jones

[rudy]

why did he duck him then? why did he fight jones jr for a 50-50 split instead of taking 60-40 against pavlik in a fight that would have sold more at the gate and on ppv?

Because even till now Roy Jones is one of the greatest most people have forgotton about Pavilk