Srs question, why did Manny Pacquiao turn down random blood testing back then?

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We know why you're done. I posted you the document stating that directly from WADA. Do you need it again




This is why you get no respect. When presented with evidence that proves you're wrong, you ignore it and keep going with your agenda, all the while being on the "leave Manny alone" train.

Of course the athlete's health and safety is the #1 priority when dealing with The****utic Use. What the hell would you think it would be? That's the whole damn reason for a The****utic Use Exemption.

The link was informative and it clearly said that, while TUE can be an exemption, over 50 ml iv infusion is prohibited. How much did Floyd use again in his infusion before the Pac fight? Right, 250 ml normal saline with multivitamins and 500 cc normal saline with vitamin c before his TUE application was approved. The link you posted also states that iv infusion could enhance performance by increasing plasma volumes, mask prohibited substance and distort athlete’s biological. passport.

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The link was informative and it clearly said that, while TUE can be an exemption, over 50 ml iv infusion is prohibited. How much did Floyd use again in his infusion before the Pac fight? Right, 250 ml normal saline with multivitamins and 500 cc normal saline with vitamin c before his TUE application was approved. The link you posted also states that iv infusion could enhance performance by increasing plasma volumes, mask prohibited substance and distort athlete’s biological. passport.

EXACTLY!!!! Now if you care to pay attention.

1. That the infusion was over 50ml is why he needed a TUE. 50ml is basically nothing. 750ml is less IV fluid than is given for a damn hangover.

2. IV increasing plasma values is irrelevant because HE WAS TAKING A URINE TEST, NOT A BLOOD TEST.

3. An IV masks a urine sample BY DILUTION. I've gone over this already. The urine sample was checked for dilution by the DCO and also by the WADA lab.

4. It could distort the ABP if it affects your hematocrit level. Again, he wasn't taking a blood test. He was taking a urine test. There would be no reason for him to manipulate blood values for a urine test!!!!!

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EXACTLY!!!! Now if you care to pay attention.

1. That the infusion was over 50ml is why he needed a TUE. 50ml is basically nothing. 750ml is less IV fluid than is given for a damn hangover.

2. IV increasing plasma values is irrelevant because HE WAS TAKING A URINE TEST, NOT A BLOOD TEST.

3. An IV masks a urine sample BY DILUTION. I've gone over this already. The urine sample was checked for dilution by the DCO and also by the WADA lab.

4. It could distort the ABP if it affects your hematocrit level. Again, he wasn't taking a blood test. He was taking a urine test. There would be no reason for him to manipulate blood values for a urine test!!!!!

I have a different interpretation and you should pay attention lol!

1. Increasing the plasma volumes- not pertaining to any tests, could simply trying to gain an advantage by increasing the plasma/blood volumes circulating in the body.

2. could mask a prohibited substance- this will be the test right here. If the body has increased plasma volume, in order to maintain normal circulation, the body would trigger the kidneys to excrete the extra fluid thus making the urine output diluted and could potentially masks other prohibited substance. You prolly heard about only traces of banned substance caught from Canelo and Povetkin right? Same explanation/principle, some cheaters would either take meds/substance not banned or simply take iv fluid infusion to mask and/or dilute the sample/s to be tested by either USADA or VADA.

Do you have a WADA list of prohibited substance/drugs? Its missing in the link

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You're a flat out liar. If you debunked a claim about Rhabdo, that would mean Stiverne couldn't have had Rhabdo., and we know you are wrong about that.

Junior Dos Santos didn't even know he had it until the next day after his fight that he was pissing a very dark urine. He went to the Nike facility to have them run some tests and that's when they diagnosed him with it...AFTER HE ALREADY FOUGHT. So there is absolutely NO WAY for you to decide if a fighter has rhabdo or not from your couch.

Do you have any honor at all?


Honestly, like the other dude said, you come across as someone who doesn't know anything at all, but pretends you do.

Dude, you mentioned Floyd might have been suffering/suffered Rhabdomyolysis thats why he intended to take the IV fluids and multivitamins and vitamin c lol! Was it ever mentioned by floyd and his team even after the Pac fight?Big NO! We were talking about Floyd and I dont give a piece of **** about Stiverne or any other bums who had suffered rhabdo while training or whatever. All I wanted was a proof if Floyd had it otherwise it was all speculations/assumptions.

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EXACTLY!!!! Now if you care to pay attention.

1. That the infusion was over 50ml is why he needed a TUE. 50ml is basically nothing. 750ml is less IV fluid than is given for a damn hangover.

2. IV increasing plasma values is irrelevant because HE WAS TAKING A URINE TEST, NOT A BLOOD TEST.

3. An IV masks a urine sample BY DILUTION. I've gone over this already. The urine sample was checked for dilution by the DCO and also by the WADA lab.

4. It could distort the ABP if it affects your hematocrit level. Again, he wasn't taking a blood test. He was taking a urine test. There would be no reason for him to manipulate blood values for a urine test!!!!!

Going back to the TUE. My point all along was, why did he do the IV infusions without TUE approval/exemption? Rememeber it was some weeks before the approval came out from USADA and NSAC was not even informed.

Now, comparing to that ****** cut off date requests, afraid of needles etc by Pac. Floyd’s IV infusion should also hold merit and be considered by unreasonable Floyd’s fan as a sign of cheating to be fair. lol

[travestyny]

I have a different interpretation lol!

1. Increasing the plasma volumes- not pertaining to any tests, could simply trying to gain an advantage by increasing the plasma/blood volumes of the body.

So let me get this straight.


What you're saying is that to have an advantage over an opponent, all you need to do is have an IV infusion of saline 24 hours before the fight, and that will give you an enhanced performance?


Congratulations, you have definitively proven that you have no idea what the fvvck you are talking about, and you should never speak on anything regarding sports medicine again.

An infusion of IV fluid 24 hours before a fight is equivalent to a performance enhancing drug, right? That's your belief? I hope you own this.


What happened, if you had any knowledge of this topic at all, is in the past athletes would use an IV to raise their hematocrit level because they were doping with EPO. That's what Lance Armstrong was known to do. He was also doing it before there were adequate EPO urine tests, but still everyone learned of the manipulation of BLOOD VALUES could be used to aid in enhancing performance.

You know absolutely nothing about this topic.

2. could mask a prohibited substance- this will be the test right here. If the body has increased plasma volume, in order to maintain normal circulation, the body would trigger the kidneys to excrete the extra fluid thus making the urine output diluted and could potentially masks other prohibited substance. You prolly heard about only traces of banned substance caught from Canelo and Povetkin right? Same explanation/principle, some cheaters would either take meds/substance not banned or simply take iv fluid infusion to mask and/or dilute the sample/s to be tested by either USADA or VADA.

Do you have a WADA list of prohibited substance/drugs? Its missing in the link

Dude, you are tripping all over yourself. There again you mention making the urine DILUTED, and you have still after however many posts failed to acknowledge that urine samples are required to be tested to ensure that they are not diluted by the DCO and by the WADA lab. It's called a specific gravity test.

Just please stop.

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Dude, you mentioned Floyd might have been suffering/suffered Rhabdomyolysis thats why he intended to take the IV fluids and multivitamins and vitamin c lol! Was it ever mentioned by floyd and his team even after the Pac fight?Big NO!

So you are basing this on Mayweather not coming out saying that he suffered from Rhabdomyolysis? lol.

Do you think he can even say the word? One of the side effects of Rhadbomyolysis is.....DEHYDRATION. That's what he said he suffered from, so his statement is correct. What's the problem?

The point is that even if he was only dehydrated and they assumed that he could be suffering from Rhabdo, the proper cause of action for USADA to take would be to monitor him having an IV infusion. If not, then they risk taking the blame if he winds up like Stiverne. As long as they make sure he is not doping, then an IV infusion of saline and vitamins 24 hours before the fight is a non issue, which is why at face value it was never made illegal in boxing.

We were talking about Floyd and I dont give a piece of **** about Stiverne or any other bums who had suffered rhabdo while training or whatever. All I wanted was a proof if Floyd had it otherwise it was all speculations/assumptions.

Of course you don't want to talk about anyone else because it crushes your whole "I debunked" nonsense when you realize it is only based on Mayweahter not saying exactly what may be in his confidential medical record Just give it a rest. You can't disprove that he had that, and as long as you can't, you have to acknowledge that you can be wrong. Don't you agree?

Beyond the reason that he took the IV, you fail miserably trying to prove it could have aided him to hide PED use. You went from vitamin c being used as a mask to IV fluid making you superman for 24 hours. It's sad that you're trying so hard to do what you claim Floyd fans do.

[travestyny]

Going back to the TUE. My point all along was, why did he do the IV infusions without TUE approval/exemption? Rememeber it was some weeks before the approval came out from USADA and NSAC was not even informed.

Dude, you have to do your own research. There is so much that you don't know about this and you're just basically asking me to rehash the whole story for you.

The USADA DCO was with him before the IV infusion, as well as afterward. Of course the DCO would have talked to USADA as well as explained the proper TUE procedure to Mayweather. Then the WADA protocol was followed. If you have a problem with the WADA protocol, you should contact WADA and tell them that you don't believe they know what the fvvfck they are doing.

Now, comparing to that ****** cut off date requests, afraid of needles etc by Pac. Floyd’s IV infusion should also hold merit and be considered by unreasonable Floyd’s fan as a sign of cheating to be fair. lol

You're welcome to think of these situations any way that you would like.

What do you think about Pacquiao trying to take Toradol for a non-existent injury? Was he trying to cheat? I'd really love to know your opinion of this. You did hear that they had to stop his surgeon from giving him a shot in the dressing room, right? When they asked him what the shot was for, he said Manny didn't need it. lol. But Toradol is the drug that football players use and say it numbs your entire body so you feel you can run through a wall.

Funny, no?

[tatot]

So let me get this straight.


What you're saying is that to have an advantage over an opponent, all you need to do is have an IV infusion of saline 24 hours before the fight, and that will give you an enhanced performance?


Congratulations, you have definitively proven that you have no idea what the fvvck you are talking about, and you should never speak on anything regarding sports medicine again.

An infusion of IV fluid 24 hours before a fight is equivalent to a performance enhancing drug, right? That's your belief? I hope you own this.


What happened, if you had any knowledge of this topic at all, is in the past athletes would use an IV to raise their hematocrit level because they were doping with EPO. That's what Lance Armstrong was known to do. He was also doing it before there were adequate EPO urine tests, but still everyone learned of the manipulation of BLOOD VALUES could be used to aid in enhancing performance.

You know absolutely nothing about this topic.






Dude, you are tripping all over yourself. There again you mention making the urine DILUTED, and you have still after however many posts failed to acknowledge that urine samples are required to be tested to ensure that they are not diluted by the DCO and by the WADA lab. It's called a specific gravity test.

Just please stop.

Jeez, Did I say just plain IV saline infusion to increase Plasma volume? Didnt Floyd had 250 cc saline with multivitamins and vitamin c in a 500 saline bag? Did I not ask for a list of prohibited substances from WADA cause I honestly dont have any idea what they are?

From my perspective, if you have an increased plasma volumes circulating in your body, you may have have an increased urine production, thus increasing urinary frequency and may dilute the urine output. Specific gravity/density is done to test for urine concentration and if someone is dehydrated.

Luis Ortiz and Chavez Jr both intentionally(in my opinion) took Hydrochlorothiazide and furosemide, both diuretics (thiazide and loop) to mask steroids/peds or other substances. Diuretics(water pills) increase urine production thus increasing urinary frequency and may dilute/masks other substances. Just using them as an example to clearly explain the relevance of dilution and masking. ✌🏼

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Jeez, Did I say just plain IV saline infusion to increase Plasma volume? Didnt Floyd had 250 cc saline with multivitamins and vitamin c in a 500 saline bag? Did I not ask for a list of prohibited substances from WADA cause I honestly dont have any idea what they are?

From my perspective, if you have an increased plasma volumes circulating in your body, you may have have an increased urine production, thus increasing urinary frequency and may dilute the urine output. Specific gravity/density is done to test for urine concentration and if someone is dehydrated.

Luis Ortiz and Chavez Jr both intentionally(in my opinion) took Hydrochlorothiazide and furosemide, both diuretics (thiazide and loop) to mask steroids/peds or other substances. Diuretics(water pills) increase urine production thus increasing urinary frequency and may dilute/masks other substances. Just using them as an example to clearly explain the relevance of dilution and masking. ✌��

Stop. You make absolutely no sense.

You don't use an IV to increase blood volume for over 24 hours! That's actually ******ed. And if you make me prove this to you, I will never stop laughing at you.

Second, are you really asking me for the WADA prohibited list to check to see if saline is there or something? Are you serious?

Dude, look it up yourself. Just fvvvcking google: "WADA Prohibited List." What is wrong with you?


The specific gravity test is what is used to check for dilution. Please don't make me have to prove this to you (if that's something ur arguing against above, because I can't tell what the hell you are trying to say). You keep digging your grave more and more. Just stop.