Srs question, why did Manny Pacquiao turn down random blood testing back then?

[tatot]

Why are you still going on with this whole Vitamin C thing? Vitamin C is given for general wellness and also to boost your immune system. It also can work as an anti-inflammatory, and no, it is not illegal and it does not mask for a urine test!!!

But you won't even address that. You just keep going on and on with your agenda. You want people to treat Pac fairly (no proof that he used PED's, and I agree with you), but you don't seem to want to extend the same thought process for Mayweather. You are just trying to go on with a "gotcha game" about whether he really needed Vitamin C or not.

So how about this.....just to shut you up.

Is Vitamin C used to treat allergies?

Did Mayweather write on his health record that he suffers from allergies?

Ok. Time for you to let it go. You have a valid reason for vitamin C.....AND IT'S ONLY VITAMIN C.

Its allergies now? lol! Why dont you look up my conversation with the other guy so I dont have to keep repeating myself. I have been reasonable with my comments and posts, Im so done. At the end of the day, you would still bash Pac with dumb allegations of cheating and praise Floyd like Zeus lol!

[Bjl12]

Plain Normal saline infusion or even bolus is the first choice to treat dehydration and not IV multivitamins and vitamin C unles it was indicated that he was deficient at that time (clearly he was not).Floyd was given TUE some weeks after the Pac fight not few weeks or few days before. Floyd took the Saline drip with multivitamins and vitamin c added affer the weigh in with his TUE application still pending for approval. Biased USADA did not think he had violated anything and subsequently gave him a pass maybe because his name was Floyd Mayweather and not Lance Armstrong.

At the end of the day, unreasonable Floyd’s fans would continue to defend Floyd and throw PEDS accusation at Pac regardless. The guy, who like Floyd, has never failed a drug test. Love him or hate him, he will be a first ballot HOF (just like Floyd) and would go down as one of the best (also just like Floyd).

I dont spread lies or fake news. It was proven that he had used IV saline with multivitamins. Just trying to be reasonable cause you guys have been unreasonably bashing Pac as PEDS cheater withou any solid proof.

To be fair, both Floyd and Pac are the greatest in this era but I honestly think Mayweather has the edge(he beat Pac).

And you're sure of all your "information" without any access to lab work...definite healthcare provider XD XD XD

[travestyny]

Its allergies now? lol! Why dont you look up my conversation with the other guy so I dont have to keep repeating myself. I have been reasonable with my comments and posts, Im so done. At the end of the day, you would still bash Pac with dumb allegations of cheating and praise Floyd like Zeus lol!

I never said it was allergies. I said it was just Vitamin C and nothing for you to get your panties in a knot over.

You kept going on with your agenda, and now you have a valid excuse for the Vitamin C. But guess who still isn't satisfied.

What do you say to people who aren't satisfied about Pacquiao trying to get shot up with Toradol for an injury that didn't exist, huh?

You haven't been reasonable at all. You've been like a spoiled brat doing everything you can to paint Manny as a saint and ignoring every bit of evidence regarding Floyd that you've been given by at least 2 posters if not more. You are doing exactly what you claim I and other posters are doing.

You also refuse to answer simple questions, like how the urine sample was diluted by the IV when it was checked to ensure that it was not diluted by two separate people from 2 separate companies....

So tell me, who is not being reasonable again?


And can you point out where I've bashed Pac here? I've been respectful toward you and I haven't said one bad thing about Pac. It's you getting your panties in a knot and refusing to accept rational thought.

[tatot]

And you're sure of all your "information" without any access to lab work...definite healthcare provider XD XD XD

Look up my conversation with the othe guys about lab work in relation to dehydration. I even debunked a claim about Rhabdo. I even dared them to ask a doctor. There you go, and I dont have to brag about my profession. Like I said, I certainly dont have to prove anything to anyone in this forum.

[GhostofDempsey]

So Im not a health care practitioner but you are eh? okay Lol! I dont have to prove anything to you and certainly dont have to open my private life here. I dont judge someone in this forum from thousands of miles away cause Im not a mug. But all of my posts are open for everyone to see and they can certainly evwn compare with yours too and they be the judge. Im confident with myself and my craft and I dont resort to name calling,unlike you.

He cleans bed pans and gives sponge baths at the nursing home, but he's a "healthcare professional".

Arguing with these clowns is futile. Guys like him and Travesty have defended Floyd for years and thousands of posts. You would think they were on his payroll the way they dutifully come to his defense at all costs. Most reasonable fans know why Floyd made false accusations for PED use, insisted on moving the goal post with USADA in his pocket, and why he later got caught with an illegal IV. It doesn't take a forensic scientist to put the pieces of that puzzle together.

[tatot]

He cleans bed pans and gives sponge baths at the nursing home, but he's a "healthcare professional".

Arguing with these clowns is futile. Guys like him and Travesty have defended Floyd for years and thousands of posts. You would think they were on his payroll the way they dutifully come to his defense at all costs. Most reasonable fans know why Floyd made false accusations for PED use, insisted on moving the goal post with USADA in his pocket, and why he later got caught with an illegal IV. It doesn't take a forensic scientist to put the pieces of that puzzle together.

I clean bed pans and give bed baths but have a knowledge about dehydration, labworks and treatments?lol, coming from a keyboard warrior like you thousands of miles away? okay, fair enough. Why dont you ask a doctor or any educated health care professionals about my posts.

I certainly dont have to prove myself to you.

[tatot]

We know why you're done. I posted you the document stating that directly from WADA. Do you need it again




This is why you get no respect. When presented with evidence that proves you're wrong, you ignore it and keep going with your agenda, all the while being on the "leave Manny alone" train.

Of course the athlete's health and safety is the #1 priority when dealing with The****utic Use. What the hell would you think it would be? That's the whole damn reason for a The****utic Use Exemption.

Thats not the main reason USADA exists first and foremost, they are paid to test athletes. Floyd’s TUE was not approved until after some weeks after the Pac fight correct me if im wrong. My point all along was, if Floyd was just dehydrated after the weigh in, why not just Plain normal saline drip and why give intravenous multivitamins and vitamin C just before the Pac fight plus the fact that TUE application still pending? Timing seems off to me.

[travestyny]

Thats not the main reason USADA exists first and foremost, they are paid to test athletes.

What is the main reason that TUEs exist? Let's see if you answer questions.

We are not discussing why he was tested. We are discussing the IV and the****utic use exemptions. What I gave you above, directly from WADA, is very clear about what the priority is. And the information comes from WADA's note to the TUE committee on IV use!!!!

Floyd’s TUE was not approved until after some weeks after the Pac fight correct me if im wrong.

Maybe. I can't recall exactly how long after, but let's say you are correct. What's your point?

Was it WADA protocol (no, not USADA protocol. WADA protocol, which USADA must follow as a signatory to WADA) that was followed?

If so, then what are you complaining about? The proper procedure was followed, no? If not, then let us know what is WADA's proper procedure.

My point all along was, if Floyd was just dehydrated after the weigh in, why not just Plain normal saline drip and why give intravenous multivitamins and vitamin C just before the Pac fight plus the fact that TUE application still pending? Timing seems off to me.

Dude, I've explained this and you won't even acknowledge it. You refuse to. Vitamins are given for general wellness. You are trying to say that there was something fishy because he took vitamins. That's ridiculous.

Do vitamins mask a urine test that is analyzed at a WADA lab?


I think that's 3 questions. Let's see if you answer. Again, I haven't said anything negative about Pac and I haven't called you any names. But we'll see if you have a real interest in discussing or if you just want to advance your agenda.

[travestyny]

He cleans bed pans and gives sponge baths at the nursing home, but he's a "healthcare professional".

Arguing with these clowns is futile. Guys like him and Travesty have defended Floyd for years and thousands of posts. You would think they were on his payroll the way they dutifully come to his defense at all costs. Most reasonable fans know why Floyd made false accusations for PED use, insisted on moving the goal post with USADA in his pocket, and why he later got caught with an illegal IV. It doesn't take a forensic scientist to put the pieces of that puzzle together.

If only you were capable of defending Dempsey against ducking Harry Wills, Joe Jeannette, and loading them gloves against Williard, huh?

[travestyny]

I even debunked a claim about Rhabdo.

You're a flat out liar. If you debunked a claim about Rhabdo, that would mean Stiverne couldn't have had Rhabdo., and we know you are wrong about that.

Junior Dos Santos didn't even know he had it until the next day after his fight that he was pissing a very dark urine. He went to the Nike facility to have them run some tests and that's when they diagnosed him with it...AFTER HE ALREADY FOUGHT. So there is absolutely NO WAY for you to decide if a fighter has rhabdo or not from your couch.

Do you have any honor at all?


Honestly, like the other dude said, you come across as someone who doesn't know anything at all, but pretends you do.