Srs question, why did Manny Pacquiao turn down random blood testing back then?

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You are missing the point. IV vitamins can mask other agents,he could’ve been doping or used Peds or drugs who knows. Floyd had used IV vitamins and his excuse was he was dehydrated and he violated USADA rule but it was USADA not VADA lol! Good old Luis Ortiz got caught with hydrochlorothiazide(blood pressure med,possible masking agent) by VADA and his first fight against Wilder got scrapped. The difference is Floyd is Floyd whereas Ortiz is not Floyd and had a history of steroid use in the past.

No you missed the point.

He gave a sample BEFORE using the IV.

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No you missed the point.

He gave a sample BEFORE using the IV.

You are missing the point big time sir, have to read my post lol! Lemme rephrase it. Floyd took an IV Saline with multivitamins and Vitamin C after the Pac weigh in and his excuse was ge was dehydrated. It was a red flag cause taking such intravenously could mask other agents. Just sayin

[Dosumpthin]

You are missing the point big time sir, have to read my post lol! Lemme rephrase it. Floyd took an IV Saline with multivitamins and Vitamin C after the Pac weigh in and his excuse was ge was dehydrated. It was a red flag cause taking such intravenously could mask other agents. Just sayin

No. You missed it. Floyd gave a urine sample IMMEDIATELY BEFORE using the IV.

Meaning the urine sample given BEFORE the IV was tested.

If the IV was to MASK a banned substance, then he would've had to used the IV BEFORE giving a sample.

But that's not the case.


Floyd gave a sample BEFORE the IV.
And after he used the IV, he gave ANOTHER sample. As per WADA rules both samples are combined and tested.

Do you understand now?

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if he gave a sample before, why the iv??

Maybe he had diarrhea and was dehydrated? I don't know. No one does.

1. I just know he gave a sample BEFORE the IV.

2. Gave a sample AFTER the IV.

3. USADA is aware of the IV and can instruct specific testing on that particular sample for up to 10 years if they chose to.

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Maybe he had diarrhea and was dehydrated? I don't know. No one does.

1. I just know he gave a sample BEFORE the IV.

2. Gave a sample AFTER the IV.

3. USADA is aware of the IV and can instruct specific testing on the particular sample for 10 years.

You know no such thing. The term which has always been used is partial sample. Was it tested, or even enough to be tested we don’t know. If it was enough it seems very unlikely that the USADA tech would have just hung around waiting for someone to administer an IV and then test again

[GhostofDempsey]

For one thing, he wasn’t asked, he was publicly accused. This resulted in a lawsuit that was setttled out of court in Pacquiao’s favor. He was also not slowing Mayweathwr to dictate additional terms, because even back then, Pacquiao was su****ious of USADA, and in hindsight he was right to be su****ious.

[tatot]

Do you have a proof about the pee samples being collected right after the IV infusion? FYI The IV infusion was given at Floyd’s house and not in a medical facility. Regardless, the point is, giving such intravenously is not allowed by WADA cause it could mask other substance/agents. Another red flag you dont give vitamins to treat dehydration. When someone show up in the hospital with dehydration, I would only give bolus intravenous with just plain Saline. Just sayin

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Maybe he had diarrhea and was dehydrated? I don't know. No one does.

1. I just know he gave a sample BEFORE the IV.

2. Gave a sample AFTER the IV.

3. USADA is aware of the IV and can instruct specific testing on that particular sample for up to 10 years if they chose to.

Dude, why dont you look up the article by Dan Rafael so you have facts not just ****** speculations. In fairness, Floyd got tested the night before the Pac fight but not right after the IV infusion. His excuse was dehydration and like I said, the red flag was why IV saline with multivitamins and Vitamin C?

[Dosumpthin]

You know no such thing. The term which has always been used is partial sample. Was it tested, or even enough to be tested we don’t know. If it was enough it seems very unlikely that the USADA tech would have just hung around waiting for someone to administer an IV and then test again

I do know that once a sample is subject to WADAs specific target testing, then the labs can "find a table spoon of sugar in a swimming pool" as per Dr Gerard.

I also know the "partial" was less than 90ml but the sample had to been a sufficient enough in volume to visibly determine "dark urine".

I also know ABP (Athlete Biological Passport) testing does not require DIRECT detection of a banned substance in order to bring forth a doping violation.

I also know, as per WADA technical documents, when a known masking agent is used (in this case IV) the labs are instructed to treat threshold substances as they would a NON threshold substance.


I also know the the sample is checked twice for a Specific Gravity by the DCO and the LAB.


I also know the initial reporter Thomas Hauser who claimed Floyd was CAUGHT using an IV RECANTED his statement. He acknowledged it was a rumor and admits USADA was present during the IV.


Face it. The IV is was always a NON issue.

[Dosumpthin]

Do you have a proof about the pee samples being collected right after the IV infusion? FYI The IV infusion was given at Floyd’s house and not in a medical facility. Regardless, the point is, giving such intravenously is not allowed by WADA cause it could mask other substance/agents. Another red flag you dont give vitamins to treat dehydration. When someone show up in the hospital with dehydration, I would only give bolus intravenous with just plain Saline. Just sayin

Do you have proof he used an IV?

Seems you still missed the point.

Floyd gave a sample BEFORE the IV. Therefore the IV was not used to mask a substance.