Comments Thread For: Wilder-Fury Rematch Could Land on April 27 or May, Says Warren

[kafkod]

I disagree with that. Clearing out a division means beating all the top guys. Not randomly selecting some of the "highly ranked" fighters. The Klitschko win wasn't a clean out win as that win essentially established Joshua as a force at heavyweight. It was the end of an era. Parker was never considered a threat, although he did receive his due as a champion. Povetkin was only still respected by those who chose to ignore his obvious PED use. Particularly the meldonium.

Cleaning out a division is beating any and everyone who tries to stake a claim as the best in division. That means beating guys like Wilder, Fury, Miller, or Ortiz.

Povetkin was cleared of using Meldonium after it became illegal due to insufficient evidence.

And "cleaning out a division" means whatever people want it to mean.

Andre Ward is credited with cleaning out SMW despite not fighting 2 of the other world title holders and turning down an offer to unfy with one of them.

He also turned down offers to fight Adonis Stevenson, who was claiming to be the best at SMW back then.

If AJ has to beat Wilder and contenders like Ortiz and Miller to clean out HW, then Ward should have had to beat Bute (IBF champ) Stieglitz (WBO champ) plus Adonis, who was a top ranked contender and calling him out.

[Batfink]

Povetkin was cleared of using Meldonium after it became illegal due to insufficient evidence.

And "cleaning out a division" means whatever people want it to mean.

Andre Ward is credited with cleaning out SMW despite not fighting 2 of the other world title holders and turning down an offer to unfy with one of them.

He also turned down offers to fight Adonis Stevenson, who was claiming to be the best at SMW back then.

If AJ has to beat Wilder and contenders like Ortiz and Miller to clean out HW, then Ward should have had to beat Bute (IBF champ) Stieglitz (WBO champ) plus Adonis, who was a top ranked contender and calling him out.

I think that’s a fair crack at the whip but not a seriously close comparison between SMW and Heavyweight. Here we have some serious contenders Fury Wilder & AJ who can all claim fairly to be number 1. In this particular division AJ need only beat Wilder and Fury for the recognition he doesn’t need Miller/Whyte/Pulev/Breazeale however in about 2-3 years he might get a challenge from a new emerging Heavyweight such as Dubois or someone else. If it were me ruling this division I would take on both fury and wilder beat them and then retire or relinquish the belts and make a come back only for a big big fight.

In all other weight classes it’s beneficial to move up or down to become a multiple weight champion in Heavyweights however you just fight the best in that division you do not drop and you cannot move up it’s the #1 division

[kafkod]

I think that’s a fair crack at the whip but not a seriously close comparison between SMW and Heavyweight. Here we have some serious contenders Fury Wilder & AJ who can all claim fairly to be number 1. In this particular division AJ need only beat Wilder and Fury for the recognition he doesn’t need Miller/Whyte/Pulev/Breazeale however in about 2-3 years he might get a challenge from a new emerging Heavyweight such as Dubois or someone else. If it were me ruling this division I would take on both fury and wilder beat them and then retire or relinquish the belts and make a come back only for a big big fight.

In all other weight classes it’s beneficial to move up or down to become a multiple weight champion in Heavyweights however you just fight the best in that division you do not drop and you cannot move up it’s the #1 division

To me, cleaning out a division means winning all the belts - unless one of the other champions refuses to fight you - and beating all the "name" contenders.

Usyk and Crawford cleaned out divisions, but not Ward, and AJ still has a lot to do in order to clean out HW.

[killakali]

At the time I said he was being advised by Haymon, he was being advised by Haymon. I didn't say he was going to PBC. Jacobs is advised by Haymon and he's not in PBC. Fighters trust Haymon because he has no problem advising them to fight somewhere other than PBC if they have an opportunity that will be better for them than PBC.

But I guess in your low IQ mind, I should somehow be embarrassed that Beterbiev isn't fighting in PBC even though I never said he would be? Weird.

u said Beterbiev would stay with Haymon and u were wrong.

Also Michel took Alvarez and Rivas to TR and Haymon had zero to do with it. In fact he tried to keep Alvarez at PBC just like he tried to get Jacobs back to PBC. He made a big offer to Jacobs to fight on PBC but couldn’t come up with offers better than what Matchroom and TR gave to both men.

Let’s not act like Haymon wanted them to fight away from PBC lol. If that was the case he would have told Jermall to go to DAZN a long time ago. If he had their best interests at heart.

At the end of the day haymon has a business to run in the PBC and he puts the best interest of the PBC ahead of any of his fighters fighting somewhere else.

[Jkp]

I shouldn't respond, because you clearly just get off on it, but he's fought Parker, Klitschko and Povetkin. Say what you like about them but they were all highly ranked at the time and two of those fights were to unify belts.

When you beat a highly ranked fighter, they move down the rankings. Doesn't mean they weren't highly rated at the time. That's what clearing out a division looks like.

Oldest - Klitchko
Smallest (and Old) - Povetkin

Parker fight was a farce, thanks to the ref that Eddie paid.
Its sad that Eddie and AJ would rather have a completely rigged, dud fight, than risk a fair fight and put on a good spectacle for the fans.

[N/A]

u said Beterbiev would stay with Haymon and u were wrong.

You continue to lie about what I said, which is why you never post links to anything I said. You don't want people to read my actual words. You want them to read your ****amamie interpretation.

[Batfink]

To me, cleaning out a division means winning all the belts - unless one of the other champions refuses to fight you - and beating all the "name" contenders.

Usyk and Crawford cleaned out divisions, but not Ward, and AJ still has a lot to do in order to clean out HW.

I guess I see your point you see the alphabets as titles as the symbol of the best and yes that can be used to determine that fact in that way. However you don’t have to hold all the belts to have cleaned up the division I mean having the belts helps the record the tally chart but by no means determines the integrity or value of the champion. It’s really about who you fight in your era hence why there is also a lineal and a pound for pound ranking system.

Joshua has fought Parker and Martin for two of his titles and an already defeated Klitschko for the others so is he really the best. According to Ring and TBRB he needs to beat Fury who has no belts to be the lineal.

In the end it’s not the number of titles you own that determines your status as number #1 it’s about opposition the holders of belts sometimes are simple custodians or paper champions. Cleaning up a division by collecting titles is totally unnecessary it’s about fighting the best making money and perhaps recognition. Usyk has no one in his division worth fighting and in general most worthwhile
cruiserweights move to heavyweight to really prove themselves. Ward destroyed anyone worth while in SMW and beat a very highly rated Kovalev in the division above. I think that he has proved his quality.

[Ake-Dawg]

Povetkin was cleared of using Meldonium after it became illegal due to insufficient evidence.

And "cleaning out a division" means whatever people want it to mean.

Andre Ward is credited with cleaning out SMW despite not fighting 2 of the other world title holders and turning down an offer to unfy with one of them.

He also turned down offers to fight Adonis Stevenson, who was claiming to be the best at SMW back then.

If AJ has to beat Wilder and contenders like Ortiz and Miller to clean out HW, then Ward should have had to beat Bute (IBF champ) Stieglitz (WBO champ) plus Adonis, who was a top ranked contender and calling him out.

Ward won the Super Six tourney, giving him credit as king of SMW. The argment for him to have fought bute is stale and not worth rehashing.

My point regarding Povetkin is that it was obvious that he was benefiting from meldonium. Once the use of the drug was taken away, he struggled with endurance at HW. In short, meldonium was what got him to top level at HW and that's why he tried to microdose for Wilder.

[Toffee]

To me, cleaning out a division means winning all the belts - unless one of the other champions refuses to fight you - and beating all the "name" contenders.

Usyk and Crawford cleaned out divisions, but not Ward, and AJ still has a lot to do in order to clean out HW.

He's only had 22 fights - give him a bit of time!

I think Parker and Povetkin were both ranked 3? Parker was unbeaten and Povetkin had only been beaten by Wlad on points.

Those guys aren't talked about as top drawer now but that's because Joshua knocked them out.

We're pretty much down to three fighters. That's a fairly clean division. Every now and then they'll have to go and prove the rest aren't at their level (thinking Miller, Whyte, Joyce). Or they'll lose and prove the guy is a serious contender.

And then we have the fights that decide who is the best out of the 3. Right now we've only had one and it didn't give us anything definitive. Just opinions.

[kafkod]

He's only had 22 fights - give him a bit of time!

I think Parker and Povetkin were both ranked 3? Parker was unbeaten and Povetkin had only been beaten by Wlad on points.

Those guys aren't talked about as top drawer now but that's because Joshua knocked them out.

We're pretty much down to three fighters. That's a fairly clean division. Every now and then they'll have to go and prove the rest aren't at their level (thinking Miller, Whyte, Joyce). Or they'll lose and prove the guy is a serious contender.

And then we have the fights that decide who is the best out of the 3. Right now we've only had one and it didn't give us anything definitive. Just opinions.

AJ has accomplished a lot in a short career, but he is still a long way off cleaning up his division.