Comments Thread For: Why Are So Many Boxing Fans Still Drawn To Adrien Broner?

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By Keith Idec - LAS VEGAS An annoyed Adrien Broner looked around an expansive theater inside MGM Grand and decided it wasn't big enough for a star his size. According to Broner, the press conference Wednesday for a fight of this magnitude should've been held somewhere bigger. It should've been open to the public, too, the way it went when Manny Pacquiao fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. "I'm pissed off, for real," Broner said. "Come in here and do this press conference...
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[_Rexy_]

People want to see him lose. He’s playing the classic bad guy role.

[pasawayako]

People love exciting fighter and Broner is one of the top 10 welterweight, entertaining and exciting in the ring.

[MONGOOSE66]

By Keith Idec - LAS VEGAS An annoyed Adrien Broner looked around an expansive theater inside MGM Grand and decided it wasn't big enough for a star his size. According to Broner, the press conference Wednesday for a fight of this magnitude should've been held somewhere bigger. It should've been open to the public, too, the way it went when Manny Pacquiao fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. "I'm pissed off, for real," Broner said. "Come in here and do this press conference...
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Dumb kids is my guess.

[Curt Henning]

because hes a trainwreck waiting to happen

[pedrito]

People just can't wait to see another Maidana done to him.

That was epic.

Search "boxing fraud exposed" on google or youtube and you'll see Broner.

[MulaKO]

I-Phone , raves , molly , and best of all ignorance
That’s the fugh why

[Boxing Logic]

Cuz boxing the last 15-20 years has constantly prioritized protecting the records and legacies of overrated, local stars who act like a$$holes over giving fair opportunities, and fair judging, to the more deserving, actually elite boxers, who are often gentlemen, but are often not local.

If boxing would rather promote an a$$hole who is local over a gentleman who is not, then this is the result. When you prioritize this type of boxer over the other, and protect their legacies and records at the cost of giving other boxers unearned losses, it's only natural that those same type of a$$hole fans will be be drawn to the sport, and that's just what has happened, en masse, the last 15-20 years, while gentlemen fans who care about the sport and real top boxers, instead of a$$hole protected pretenders, were driven away for the same reason. No one wants to see their favorite boxers tease them with ability, only to disappoint by being frozen out from fighting the best opponents during their primes, then robbed once they are old, over and over again, every single time a new exciting, but non-protected, non-"establishment" boxer comes around. It gets old and it gets old quick.

But, that's exactly what the "boxing establishment" has repeatedly done the for decades. So now, when it comes to the fanbase that has brought to the sport, on average, it's become a case of boxing media and fans being stuck to lie in the bed that the sport made for itself by the choices it made of who to promote at whom's expense. For example, the type of people drawn not just to Manny Pacquiao's persona, whether it's real or an act, but to his honorable, exciting boxing style especially, the type of people drawn to that polite persona and honorable exciting boxing style, not as many of them are going to stick around and support boxing if boxers like Pacquiao are constantly denied their opportunity to fight the best and complete their legacies during their primes, vs fighters like Floyd. Meanwhile, the type of people actually drawn to Floyd's a$$hole act, whether it's real or just an act, and his risk-adverse dirty fighting and negotiation-style, they are going to stick around as boxing fans for a long time, en masse, because every single thing is set up so that their favorite will win every fight and retire the king of his era, "TBE," etc, because they derive so much joy from seeing him win every fight, and "expose" Pacquiao, etc etc, and everything else that was set up for him to do. Not that he isn't insanely talented as a boxer, but that doesn't change the reality about this either.

See what Im saying? As long as Floyd Mayweather is the model that the "American Boxing Establishment" prefers, not Manny Pacquiao, then boxing, on average, is going to have the lowest common denominator fanbase of any sport in the world, because that's the type of fan that Floyd Mayweather, at least "Money May," attracts. I mean, his "Money May" persona is LITERALLY designed to make you DISLIKE him so that you buy the PPV to see him lose. If you like something that is purposefully designed to be disliked by average decent people, well, in some cases that's just because you already liked him before then for boxing reasons, or whatever, but in many cases, that's just an indication the type of boxing fan that person is, the same that looks up to Broner as well, and that's what boxing should expect as long as it keeps promoting boxers who represent the things "Money May" and "AB" do not just in terms of their personalities, but in Money May's case specifically, the protectionism he received under Haymon and his refusal to ever fight elite, prime, undrained opponents, and especially as long as it promotes boxers who represent those things at the expense of the ones who represent positive things.

Any sport can have villains, but no other sport favors the villains over the heroes, otherwise you're just pissing off most fans of your sport and attracting a different type of fanbase that you don't want. The NBA didn't promote Rodman more than they promoted MJ, right? They didn't fawn over all his dirty tricks like boxing analysts fawned over Andre Ward's or Floyd's or BHop's, right? When he literally farted on an opponent, no one said "Basketball is like a war, and in war, anything goes, so the rules aren't important. Rodman really got in his head with that. That shows Rodman's elite mental game. He's showing he really wants this." If the commentators had known about it in real time, I'm sure they would have told the truth that it's disgusting and not in the spirit of basketball and he should be suspended from the game or given a tech.

It's not that Rodman wasn't a great player. He was. And everyone said that. But they also told the truth about everything else, as well as the fact that as great as he was, there were other better players in the league, like MJ, as exemplified by the fact he, and they, could dribble, shoot, defend, and score close to the basket, rather than just rebound and defend like Rodman. Similar to how GGG in his prime had a higher +/- even than Ward, despite Ward being a points-oriented boxer, and GGG being a power puncher. Defensively, Ward probably got hit less often with big power shots, because he was more careful and defensive, but GGG's chin could handle the higher quality shots he might get hit with so that didn't factor into things much in his prime, and wouldn't even if they had fought head to head if they were the same size, and quantitatively, points-wise, GGG's defense was just as good as Ward's, especially considering he did it going forward. Meanwhile, offensively, it wasn't even close. GGG was way better offensively, and had more power.

So on the whole, P4P wise, you have one guy who is a top boxer on both sides of the "ball," to go back to the basketball analogy, and one guy who is elite on the defensive side, but not on the offensive side. One is able to dominate without holding, low-blowing, elbowing, etc, and knock out 23 straight opponents. One has to resort to those tactics in almost every fight, and goes 12 rounds consistently with C-level opponents. And yet just because Ward did dirty tricks and he was American, commentators like Max Kellerman said Ward was a better boxer than GGG.

Look, I'm not saying GGG is Michael Jordan or anything. I'm trying to think of the best basketball player to use as an analogy. But basically what Kellerman did was promote Dennis Rodman ahead of, and somewhat at the expense of, let's say Tim Duncan. I think that's a pretty good comparison, big man to big man. If you had to compare Andre Ward to one big man in basketball, in terms of style of play/boxing nothing more, not personality outside of competition, just in competition, I think Rodman is a pretty good example. And Tim Duncan for GGG, likewise, can't get a much better fit than that. The only problem is Tim Duncan was not super entertaining. That's what makes what Kellerman said actually a lot worse than even saying Tim Duncan was better than Rodman. It's not just misleading people about an athlete being better than another, when it's not true, it's promoting the dirty, unfanfriendly style at the expense of the clean, fan friendly style. You got one guy doing everything the right way, and he's better, and he's way more fun to watch, but it's almost like just to be a contrarian a$$hole, Max decided "I feel like being that guy today, I'm going to play devil's advocate (you can see on First Take, that's his personality. Which is often a good thing, when you're right, but when you're wrong, real annoying) and argue for the guy doing it dirty instead, who's not as good, who is more defensive specialist than complete boxer, and who isn't even half as interested in boxing as the other guy as evidenced by him only fighting half as often for many of their respective prime years."

The reason I bring that up is just to give an example of the other thing that can happen. The first example I gave, with Money May and AB, explains why boxing is attracting so many bigoted, low IQ, divisive fans. The example I just gave, of how the media pushed unfanfriendly Ward over the fan friendly GGG, explains why boxing's popularity has declined so much the last 50 years, and even towards the tail end of the May/Pac era, it still declined even more despite social media, which is just insane. Showtime and HBO were regularly doing just like 300k viewers (Showtime) or maybe 500k to 600k (HBO) for shows all of a sudden, down even from a few years before. Stevenson-Gvozdyk, the most anticipated light heavyweight fight of the year, and the free lead-in to the biggest heavyweight fight of the year, only did a few hundred K on Showtime, and that was this year. And Stevenson is just another example of a boxer who was protected, and did not fight the other top opponents in his division during his prime, which turned off most boxing fans from the sport even more, while at the same time attracting that small percentage of fans who seem to gravitate to those types of protectionism/avoidance situations, for whatever reason, which is just another example of what we have been talking about.

So, this article asked the question. Hopefully my post here has helped add to the discussion and helped everyone come closer to answering that question for good. Then maybe from there, boxing as a sport can start to adjust, and evolve, for once, and not repeat the mistakes of the last decade-plus in boxing.

[Big dawg lani]

It’s sad too say but he’s one of them boxers that has the attention of the youth . With social media he just says or do some dumb **** and boom viral! He’s going too be on love and hip hop soon with the Charlos .

[mlac]

People want to see him lose. He’s playing the classic bad guy role.