Oscar De La Hoya was hugely overrated

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  • Death_Adder
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    #91
    Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
    The three best wins on Ole' Fishnets' resume are old man Chavez, coked up Whitaker and Trinidad KO victim Fernando Vargas.

    Ducked Tszyu
    Ducked the Trinidad rematch
    Ducked Vernon Forrest
    Ducked Winky Wright
    Tszyu was getting knocked out by Phillips when Oscar was at that weight class.

    With Don King paying off judges, I don't blame him

    Forrest(RIP) was getting beaten and KO'd by Mayorga when Oscar was coming back from the Mosley robbery

    Winky was a bum.


    Oscar ducked no one.

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    • Willy Wanker
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      #92
      No man.

      De La Hoya might have been overrated when he was fighting in his prime, but takes so much sht nowadays that he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

      He says a lot of ****** sht as a promoter these days, but he was damn good fighter back in his day.

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      • HandsofIron
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        #93
        Oscar would be undefeated too had he cherry picked green, past prime, weight etc... like Floyd did, hell any boxer for that matter.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
          The three best wins on Ole' Fishnets' resume are old man Chavez, coked up Whitaker and Trinidad KO victim Fernando Vargas.

          Ducked Tszyu
          Ducked the Trinidad rematch
          Ducked Vernon Forrest
          Ducked Winky Wright
          Lol at “ducked tyszyu”

          Kostya got koed against a journeyman when Oscar was beating the best at 140.

          Tito moved up ASAP after the Oscar fight he wanted no part of Oscar anymore.

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            #95
            Originally posted by champion4ever
            Oscar De La Hoya was a good fighter but not a great fighter. He won titles in six different weight divisions with many notable names on his resume. Overall, he was a Hall of fame fighter but not an all-time great fighter.
            Then what does that make Crawford and Spence because im sure he beats Crawford at 135, 140, and 147. And he beats Spence at 147 and 154.

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              #96
              Originally posted by pasawayako
              if a past prime oscar who beat floyd is overrated then floyd must be extremely overrated. lmao.
              I have to agree with this. You could make an argument that Oscar beat Floyd. Now, just imagine with a prime Oscar would've done to Floyd. It would basically be Pernelle vs Oscar all over again.

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                #97
                Bullshyt


                Oscar was the man, he literally fought everyone.

                Dude fought 3 p4p #1 fighters in Hopkins, Floyd, manny

                Vargas
                Pernell
                Tito
                Shane twice
                Chavez
                Ike
                Gatti
                Ruales
                Camacho
                Sturm

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                • bigdunny1
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
                  The three best wins on Ole' Fishnets' resume are old man Chavez, coked up Whitaker and Trinidad KO victim Fernando Vargas.

                  Ducked Tszyu
                  Ducked the Trinidad rematch
                  Ducked Vernon Forrest
                  Ducked Winky Wright
                  good lord what horse shyt. lol

                  You do realize the only moment Tszyu was ever mentioned with Oscar he immediately got upset and knocked out by Vince Phillips? That KO loss not only took him out the running for a Oscar fight but totally derailed his career and it took him ALMOST 3 years to rebuild and become world champ again. Oscar moved to 140 fought Chavez who was the main guy at the time lineal champ, still fringe top 10 p4p fighter, HOFer and the biggest money fight at 140. Then fought undefeated world champ Gonzalez fringe top P4P guy at the time. Then moved up and fought Whitaker the lineal champ at 147, number 1 P4P fighter in the world. Not a person on the planet was asking for Oscar to fight Tszyu over the Chavez or Whikater fights not before and definitely not after he got KO'd by Phillips. Tszyu would of gotten smashed by Oscar but took himself out the running by getting knocked out he went on his second championship run at 140 starting in 2000 but by then Oscar had just 1 fight left at 147 and fought the rest of his career at 154 or higher. Saying he ducked Tszyu is hilarious.

                  Winky Wright? You mean the guy who was offered a career high 6M contract to fight Oscar and turned it down? lol

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                  You got it backwards Tito ducked the rematch not 1 but 3 times he was offered a career payday and turned it down. 1 time demanding that he be paid MORE money then Oscar. He went on taking less money for different fights he's also dead broke right now and probably wishes he took that money and fought Oscar but he knew he lost the first fight and had no chance of beating Oscar in a rematch.

                  Vernon Forrest? By the time he broke through was when he beat Shane Mosley. After the rematch with Mosley everyone was saying he should move up to 154 and challenge Oscar. He decided instead to stay at 147 for 1 more fight and got upset and KOd by Mayorga then lost the rematch to Mayorga. He took 2 years off from boxing and didn't return to boxing until 2005 by then Oscar is fighting Hopkins at 160 and goes into retirement. By the time Forest is ever world champ again it's 2007 and Oscar is fighting Floyd number 1 p4p fighter in the world. While Forrest is getting upset by Sergio Mora. He wins the rematch with Mora and dies tragically right after that. Getting knocked out by Mayorga took him out the running of a fight with Oscar. By the time he came back Oscar was fighting Hopkins and Floyd much tougher fights so when did he duck Forrest?
                  Last edited by bigdunny1; 01-11-2019, 01:06 PM.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Willy Wanker
                    No man.

                    De La Hoya might have been overrated when he was fighting in his prime, but takes so much sht nowadays that he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

                    He says a lot of ****** sht as a promoter these days, but he was damn good fighter back in his day.
                    He wasn't overrated even then, just popular and a crossover star. But that shouldn't come into consideration when it comes to the boxing fraternity and hard-core fans.

                    As far as the rest, i agree with you. Oscar would never be the best fighter in the world, but he wouldnt be over his head against anyone in history from 135-147. He was a hell of a fighter with an ATG chin and left hand

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                    • bigdunny1
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                      #100
                      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                      Bullshyt


                      Oscar was the man, he literally fought everyone.

                      Dude fought 3 p4p #1 fighters in Hopkins, Floyd, manny

                      Vargas
                      Pernell
                      Tito
                      Shane twice
                      Chavez
                      Ike
                      Gatti
                      Ruales
                      Camacho
                      Sturm
                      Oscar fought everybody moved up and down and weight taking every huge fight the fans were calling for. Titles is 6 different weight classes, became lineal champ in 3 different weight classes. You got folks trying to rewrite history just to try and scrap the bottom of the barrel to find fighters to claim he ducked and even when they try the time lines don't match reality. For example he fought something crazy like 25 world champs, over a dozen of those guys were on top p4p lists, and at least 10 are already in the HOF or locks to get in when eligible.

                      Now compare that to a guy like GGG who is pushing 40 and has only fought 4 world champs his entire career and only 1 HOFer and refused to ever move weight classes stayed at 160 and STILL never became lineal champ in that 1 weight. Oscar did that 3 phuking times. What you think Oscar's record would look like if he camped out in 1 weight class and fought nothing but bums? Ducked big punchers, or ducked southpaws, ducked defensive specialists. There are fighters today who duck 1 style or another that their team feels will make that fighter look bad. Oscar was in 1 massive blockbuster elite showdown after another spanning 2 decades taking on every fighting style possible.

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