Whyte on fighting Usyk: Nobody knows who Usyk is

[Laligalaliga]

Well heard the same about how David Haye (who was actually faster and slicker than usyk) was going to make these big slow lumbering heavyweights look like they were moving in slow motion.

It didn't really happen.

Usyk isn't a speedster, Tony Bellew who wasn't even quick at 175 was landing in him easily.

I'm just saying don't expect Usyk to be some speedball at heavyweight

Exactly my point.
They make him look like hez going to dominate other guys aside AJ/wilder/fury. I don't see that happening. This is HW, winning all the rounds no longer matters when you are caught with a big right hand and it's over.

No body talks about how many rounds you won just like Del Boy was leading in the cards before the KO..

The talking point is the KO.

[Earl-Hickey]

Exactly my point.
They make him look like hez going to dominate other guys aside AJ/wilder/fury. I don't see that happening. This is HW, winning all the rounds no longer matters when you are caught with a big right hand and it's over.

No body talks about how many rounds you won just like Del Boy was leading in the cards before the KO..

The talking point is the KO.

Usyk is popular with the wannabe boxing snobs.

Those guys go in hard on things like "lead hand control" "pivoted movement" "the southpaw stance" acting like they are more sophisticated than everyone else.

We will see how Usyk goes, I'm not sold on him yet, Bredis already got shown up as hype so Usyk's only real good win stands as gassiev

That's not enough for me to say he will walk through heavyweight

[Eff Pandas]

I can't wait for uysk first HW bout, let's see all these freaky analysis and over hype of uysk in HW.
It's getting boring how a non tested CW is suddenly going to take over the HW division.
Hope it happens soon.

My disclaimer has always been Usyk will have to contend with the 15-25lbs he'll probably add + HW power. There is no argument that isn't in play, but I obviously lean towards him evolving into a legit HW who is elusive enough that he's not being hit solid a whole lot but when he is he takes it well. That could go south if hes waaaaay slower with 20lbs added & he takes HW shots like Khan takes punches. The thing is if he's even halfway decent at the things I bring up he's a top 5 guy. And if good to great adapting he'll be #1 in the division.

I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk wins a fight vs a top ten guy like Byrd beat Klitschko back in the day cuz Byrd got him blowing out his shoulder missing so many punches.

Cuz just like I bring up the extra weight + power Usyk will have to deal with all his opponents are gonna have to deal with a guy with a higher ring IQ, real boxing talent & speed they don't usually have to deal with at HW.

Uysk is no evander.

Yea he doesn't get hit as much & uses more ring IQ to win fights. Thus far anyway. Maybe HW Usyk makes changes who knows. They got different styles.

Thats no diss to Usyk anyway who's still 0-0 at HW & even if he becomes #1 Evander was #1 for awhile & a few times so no shame in not being as accomplished as Evander now or by the time he retires for that matter.

[kidbazooka]

Anyone that watches boxing knows who Usyk is if HBO were still around they would've **** ride Usyk and Lampley literally svck his **** on the ring

Usyk was on hbo if I remember correctly and he made zero waves.

Yes true us boxing fans know any fighter but to be a star in the sport you need to go global and guys like that just don’t have that IT factor.

[rudy]

Not a good comment to make but if I was Whyte I wouldn't be interested, he will either get schooled or Ko Usyk and get no credit as he's a Cruiserweight.

Usyk is a guy you just don't acknowledge exists tbh

Why the hell would you risk all against a slick boxing cruiserweight coming up, he would be a fool to fight him until he has won or lost a world title fight.

Let oritz or some other punk fight him for example Joe Joyce wants to talk **** about fighting the best.

[Laligalaliga]

Usyk is popular with the wannabe boxing snobs.

Those guys go in hard on things like "lead hand control" "pivoted movement" "the southpaw stance" acting like they are more sophisticated than everyone else.

We will see how Usyk goes, I'm not sold on him yet, Bredis already got shown up as hype so Usyk's only real good win stands as gassiev

That's not enough for me to say he will walk through heavyweight

Only time will tell. The hype is getting too much.
Haye was more slick than him and he had loses too.

[_Rexy_]

Usyk was on hbo if I remember correctly and he made zero waves.

Yes true us boxing fans know any fighter but to be a star in the sport you need to go global and guys like that just don’t have that IT factor.

only the Mchunu fight IIRC, which was his American Debut. if the HBO machine had decided to latch onto him like they did with Kovalev...

[Laligalaliga]

My disclaimer has always been Usyk will have to contend with the 15-25lbs he'll probably add + HW power. There is no argument that isn't in play, but I obviously lean towards him evolving into a legit HW who is elusive enough that he's not being hit solid a whole lot but when he is he takes it well. That could go south if hes waaaaay slower with 20lbs added & he takes HW shots like Khan takes punches. The thing is if he's even halfway decent at the things I bring up he's a top 5 guy. And if good to great adapting he'll be #1 in the division.

I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk wins a fight vs a top ten guy like Byrd beat Klitschko back in the day cuz Byrd got him blowing out his shoulder missing so many punches.

Cuz just like I bring up the extra weight + power Usyk will have to deal with all his opponents are gonna have to deal with a guy with a higher ring IQ, real boxing talent & speed they don't usually have to deal with at HW.



Yea he doesn't get hit as much & uses more ring IQ to win fights. Thus far anyway. Maybe HW Usyk makes changes who knows. They got different styles.

Thats no diss to Usyk anyway who's still 0-0 at HW & even if he becomes #1 Evander was #1 for awhile & a few times so no shame in not being as accomplished as Evander now or by the time he retires for that matter.

that's why boxing is interesting. There are always many analysis until the actual fight happens.
The same people will start a post analysis of how they were wrong.
Let's wait till he gets his first fight then we can draw some analysis from there.
A 0/0 guy in a division, we have nothing to base him on.

[Marchegiano]

Boxing fans exaltation of angles and feints over posture and baits is really sad.


Mike Tyson complains about Holyfield evasiveness? His angles? Nope. Mike bites his ear off because he got frustrated over Evander's posture game. Confused and angry because Mike kept running his head into Evander's even though Holyfield is taller. Mike took it as cheating but what it really was is high level posturing the require predictive skills no different than a feint and an angle.

Usyk is a fantastic boxer, but his posture game is not very relevant to his fight plan and at HW posture and position matter a lot more. I'm not saying he's bad at it, I am saying he hasn't shown us anything in that regard.

Boxing is a sport that's about 3k years old. In that time there have been zero unbeaten heavyweight points fighting boxing champions. There has been about ten in history who never gave a **** about a point. The weak era excuse used to negate Marciano's meaning in this sport falls apart when you open the scale to all of boxing history. It's been done before Marciano. What has never been done in all those millenniums is a points fighter retiring as the unbeaten HW champion. Even now, as you all know Marciano is a KO fighter.

So, with that history what is the glory of the points fighter? He makes a lot more money then the KO fighter. Find me the period where "9 times out of 10 the good boxer defeats the good puncher". That's a myth. What you're going to find is the period when athletes realized they could make a lot more money boxing. So they told their fans it's superior. It comes during the renaissance when Science is popular so they call it science, they never brought in scientists of any kind.

It's a money scheme. You demonize and belittle fighters who posses old ways techniques while glorifying fighters whose techniques have never matched the glory of the old ways. Why? Because you were told a lie you never thought to look into. Why would you look into the nine times out of ten lie? You see that the vast majority of fighters are points based fighters, all you ever hear from all the greatest trainers is points exaltation. It's easy to assume the reason trainers and fighters alike prefer points fighting is because it works, but, that is just an assumption.

Marciano isn't my favorite fighter because I watched Youtube and thought " Man oh, that's some high level skills" I had to learn what I was seeing. Inversely no one ever watched Louis and related his efficient movements to dollar bills, that's something that has to be learned.

The way you guys talk about boxing isn't really any different than the way casuals do. So you know the vocab, whoop-dee-****idy-doo. How many people who have never seen a boxing match ever are going to claim Marciano is more skilled and refined then Roy Jones Jr? Yeah, we all know what the know nothings would say. "Roy Jones is highly skilled, Marciano's just tough and hits hard"

You lot are very different are you? You have learned boxing have you? Pfft, children, ****in' pfft. You don't know ****. Just a stone's throw from the casuals you all claim one another are. One step above and nothing more.