Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas Back Judges: They Got it Right, Harrison Beat Charlo!

[j.razor]

so when is Atlas gonna have one of his epic tantrums over that criminal card in Jermall's fight? still waiting.

Jermall CLEARLY won his fight but Jermell kept getting caught going for the K.O. cuz he was trying to out do hurd & it back fired….

[j.razor]

Jermell's agression was largely inneffective. He got hit a lot and was being beaten to the punch. He looked tentative even when he had Harrison against the ropes, and was throwing wild punches or even throwing being out of range. He had his moments but they were few and far between. A mediocre performance overall.

Harrison did nothing special but was much more consistent with his work. He dominated the fight with his jab and landed the cleaner punches throughout the fight. He fought cautiously but still got the better of many, if not most, exchanges. He came with a smart gameplan and stuck to it the whole fight.

I scored it 115-113 and when the fight was over I had no doubt about the winner. Harrison was better than Charlo that night. These judges should be commended.

I agree. Mell was trying too hard for the K.O.

[Bronx2245]

You always have to beat the champion to take his title. A draw results in the incumbent Champion retaining. That, I believe, is all that adage ever meant.

No that adage meant "beat" as in, you can't try to survive 12, and get the title! I remember how mad my father and uncles were when SRL beat Hagler. I was the only SRL fan, and they kept saying how boxing was going all wrong because "back in the day, you had to beat the champ! there were some intense Ali vs. Norton debates too! Lol! the good ol' days!

[j.razor]

Teddy Atlas has no credibility here. He went on a public meltdown in close fights because his guy didn't win, now he's having an epiphany because he didn't have a favorite in this fight. The fight was close. My eyes tells me Jermell won the fight, but he didn't look spectacular doing it. Believe it or not, it's almost like the first Pacquiao/Bradley fight. Pacquiao didn't look like his old self and the judges dinged him for it. Because Pacquiao was the more popular fighter, the outrage was far greater. Pacquiao won that fight but didn't look great and suffered the consequences. Jermell to a lesser extent didnt look good against an opponent that fought better than expected. Although, Harrison has shown that he can box but always fall short because of his poor stamina in big fights. The judges gave Harrison the benefit of the win but I can't say he necessarily deserved it.

Teddy has been off his rocker since FNF ended but from what I saw Jeff beat Manny & Toney beat Jermell.

[j.razor]

Teddy has more boxing IQ in his pinky than you will ever have in that gray matter and that is fact. He is THE LEAST biased color analyst you’ll ever see and calls it like it is.

Then why does he ALWAYS gets his predictions wrong?

[Citizen Koba]

No that adage meant "beat" as in, you can't try to survive 12, and get the title! I remember how mad my father and uncles were when SRL beat Hagler. I was the only SRL fan, and they kept saying how boxing was going all wrong because "back in the day, you had to beat the champ! there were some intense Ali vs. Norton debates too! Lol! the good ol' days!

I've had this discussion a few times with different people and there ain't really a way of settling it, but it's still fun to debate. My thinking is that it initially meant exactly what it said (ie the interpretation that the champ retains in a tie) but that over time as the saying was popularised folk began to give it the meaning your dad and uncles used - the meaning that is still used by a large number - possibly even the majority of fans to this day. My thinking is that it's a misunderstanding that may pretty much have become truth through popular belief.

Regardless, there is nothing in the rules of boxing that indicates that a championship bout should be scored any different to any other fight or that the Champ should be granted any advantage other than that of the ruling that of retaining in the event of a draw (which kinda implies that the challenger is required to do that bit more).

Hard to say, though. If enough judges believe that the adage means that the challenger needs to go over and above a normal victory then that is how they will score, so which is the real 'truth'?

[nacho daddy]

I cant believe Teddy said this. I had Jermell winning the fight 8 rounds to 4. I believe it to be a complete and total robbery.

I had charlow winning the fight 143 rds to one for harrison

[SHO_RULEZ]

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Just to get publicity, smh...its like when a movie is universally praised, and that one reviewer puts in a bad review, to get clicks and attention...

[j.razor]

This is probably one of the most ignorant responses I’ve read. “His guy?” You ask ANYONE who know ANYTHING about boxing and they’ll tell you Teddy is the most unbiased color analyst out there. I don’t mean that as a Teddy fan (which I am) I mean that in all honesty. You can’t be taken serious on these forums if you imply Teddy is biased because that’s just plain bull****. Teddy is notorious for picking the non club fighterbin fights and sticking up for them while yelling in the mic.

No, that was when he was in FNF. NOW he is all over the place. He has reached & is WAY PAST his peak....LMMFAO

[j.razor]

dude I couldn’t agree with you more. I feel the exact same way. You have to take the title from champ and Harrison didn’t do that. I’m a little surprised that there are so many people saying Harrison won. I think that is because people hate the charlo boys. If charlo won would there be people posting it was a robbery? I seriously doubt it. I think most are just riding the wave cause it came in for Harrison. As as teddy goes well the man is banned for life from ever calling a fight on espn, so what does that tell you.

I've have been full support for the Charlos but Jermell lost that fight. Jermall CLEARLY won his fight.