DAZN Numbers for Canelo/Fielding "Shockingly Low"

[KTFOKING]

The advertising was poor also. I'm thinking it was like that because it was a lackluster opponent.

Really hoping - no matter who it is in May - they promote tf out of it.

Canelo is not far from a Floyd in terms of popularity, but you still need to promote ffs...especially with this brand new platform

They didn't even promote the fight, just the product. And that's fine, but the commercials need to improve for sure. Low quality stuff.

I think he gets Jacobs in May and that fight obviously attracts a lot more attention. This was always going to be a long process, but they should be okay once folks start to understand what DAZN actually is.

[Dumpster Juice]

They should've bought fights not fighters. Canelo just got near 30 million to fight a NSB poster.

[N/A]

Vince and Hunter were still upset at Meltzer as soon as a year in and half ago. He was still releasing some numbers they weren't fans of and the timing he released those numbers. But maybe Vince doesn't hate Meltzer as much now.

It's all relative. There was a time in the 80s where Vince was consumed and obsessed by it. It's just not something he gives a lot of thought to anymore.

[bigdunny1]

So you don't know how many tickets were available but are quick to say Keith was lying? Huh? Could Keith have been lied to? Possible, but what agenda does he have to lie here?

And you keep discounting Meltzer by saying you prefer to hear it from a boxing insider yet when a boxing insider in Idec reports the ticket sales, you say he has an agenda he is pushing. So what is it? Why would you prefer to hear this from a boxing insider over Meltzer? What is the difference here? I mean not like you trust what all boxing insiders say anyways.

We know it wasn't thousands and Keith post was a lie Ticketmaster proves it, the promoters said it was near sell out and it sold out. Keith post was insinuating it was not going to sell out and was far away with 2 days to go and NOBODY but him echoed that lie. So either you believe 5k tickets about 1/4 of the entire sold in one day or Keith was wrong can't be both. The promoters said we are near sell out and guaranteed the fight would sell out by fight night and they were proven correct. Why you still arguing this fact when everyone including Keith who questioned if it would sell out already waved the white flag.

And I question ANY report no matter who it is if its put out with no facts and sources especially those that can easily be discredited and debunked by just going to Ticketmaster lol but I question even more when a non boxing guy has no sources and his story reeks of bs. So you think this wrestling guy who has nothing to do with boxing has a mole inside DAZN leaking top secret numbers that would be devasting to their company if it got out? Sorry I call BS. You can't even get streaming numbers of Netflix and even bigger streaming companies.

You want to tell me DAZN doesn't have a lot of "paid" subscribers that I will buy. but they gave away this fight for free and 10 million didn't just download the app to watch canelo then say I'm not going to watch for free. They could of got 20 million to watch on Saturday that number doesn't even matter because we don't know who is just on free trial and has no intention of staying when the free month is up. How many people that download and watched for free they can convince to actually pay going forward is what will make or break DAZN. Maybe that is the disconnect here and this clown is speculating on how many paid subscribers they have which could be low. But don't tell me the views were low when they gave it away free and had massive amount of downloads and nobody from DAZN is releasing the number of views let alone to WWE guy. His story don't add up saying the numbers were low DAZN won't release them but I know them but I won't tell you what they are or explain what is considered low? Yeah that's call bullshyt. lol

[yankees7448]

The thing is, it's a new venture stateside so it is definitely going to take a long and most people don’t even know what DAZN is. And the commercials were so damn awful they definitely didn't help this fight out. Instead of people watching the commercials and saying to themselves "Oh Canelo is fighting on the 15th," they were trashing it and never wanting to see it again.

But one thing is clear, there is NO way in hell Joshua/Povetkin did numbers close to what Joshua would do on SHO as Hearn proclaimed after the fight. That was some of the biggest BS he's ever said.

It was a big risk. I am pretty sure many of Canelo's fans are older Mexicans who don't do the whole streaming thing. They don't care about streaming they just want to watch their favorite fighter and are probably pissed off they have to have their grandkids set it up for them rather than just turn to a particular channel. Streaming is for young people.

This venture is going to have some growing pains and there isn't much flexibility when you drop more than 300 million on one guy. You better believe that this makes it more likely we see Canelo/GGG Part 3 next year.

[T-1000]

Meltzer is about as legit as they come. He's the guru on UFC PPV numbers. He's definitely plugged in so I wouldn't just dismiss it..

Meltzer is working for the UFC you dosser. He has an agenda. Now get me a beer you bum!

[Redd Foxx]

Netflix is a massive streaming company and they refuse to release numbers and with far more employees yet they keep their viewing data top secret and you have no leaks of the numbers yet you think DAZN who just started in the US has employees leaking their numbers which if true would be devasting for a new company in the US? No phuking way anyone at the DAZN is telling anyone the figures let alone some nobody from the WWE world. And unless you work for DAZN it's impossible to know how many views it got. That story doesn't add up and it doesn't match the amount who downloaded the public and verified numbers we have.

All we have is a third party tweet that says he said this in a interview but no info on how he got top secret numbers that DAZN has locked in a vault or what the actual number is just cryptic it's low with no context. If you can't smell bullshyt a mile away sorry I can.

I can tell you will be impossible to reason with because you're so emotionally invested in DAZNs success for some reason. You're not going to accept the possibility that they might be anything other than a roaring success because that's what you want badly.

I hope they do well but I'm not going to make a fool of myself for them.

And, you don't seem to have a mature understanding of the business in general. You said it would be devastating for the company? Wha? Are they publicly traded or something? I don't think you have a good grasp of the principles involved but you just want to wave their banner far them so this convo is pointless.

[KTFOKING]

We know it wasn't thousands and Keith post was a lie Ticketmaster proves it, the promoters said it was near sell out and it sold out. Keith post was insinuating it was not going to sell out and was far away with 2 days to go and NOBODY but him echoed that lie. So either you believe 5k tickets about 1/4 of the entire sold in one day or Keith was wrong can't be both. The promoters said we are near sell out and guaranteed the fight would sell out by fight night and they were proven correct. Why you still arguing this fact when everyone including Keith who questioned if it would sell out already waved the white flag.

And I question ANY report no matter who it is if its put out with no facts and sources especially those that can easily be discredited and debunked by just going to Ticketmaster lol but I question even more when a non boxing guy has no sources and his story reeks of bs. So you think this wrestling guy who has nothing to do with boxing has a mole inside DAZN leaking top secret numbers that would be devasting to their company if it got out? Sorry I call BS. You can't even get streaming numbers of Netflix and even bigger streaming companies.

You want to tell me DAZN doesn't have a lot of "paid" subscribers that I will buy. but they gave away this fight for free and 10 million didn't just download the app to watch canelo then say I'm not going to watch for free. They could of got 20 million to watch on Saturday that number doesn't even matter because we don't know who is just on free trial and has no intention of staying when the free month is up. How many people that download and watched for free they can convince to actually pay going forward is what will make or break DAZN. Maybe that is the disconnect here and this clown is speculating on how many paid subscribers they have which could be low. But don't tell me the views were low when they gave it away free and had massive amount of downloads and nobody from DAZN is releasing the number of views let alone to WWE guy. His story don't add up saying the numbers were low DAZN won't release them but I know them but I won't tell you what they are or explain what is considered low? Yeah that's call bullshyt. lol

See, now this was a fair post.

So a couple of things. Idec NEVER said it wasn't going to sellout, just that it wasn't close to being a sellout when DLH said Thursday morning that there were only 400-500 tickets remaining. Now, let's say Idec was right and there were about 4,000 tickets remaining unsold, do you doubt they couldn't move that on Thursday, Friday and Saturday? Remember, you have to take comps into consideration here as well. With the comps they would give away, they could definitely move the remaining tickets in three days. There is always a big movement in ticket sales in the last few days. Something similar happened with the Wilder/Fury fight. If you want to say Idec was wrong and the number wasn't 4,000 but say 2,500? I could see that being true as well, but definitely have a hard time believing Oscar when he says only 400-500 tickets are left. In that scenario with Canelo being the big star he is, no way that few tickets don't get moved on Thursday and Friday. You wouldn't take it as far as Saturday to sellout.

Here is the thing, it's not just as free as you make it seem. It's not just download the app and the fight shows up. You have to take the time to sign in and they ask for your payment information. That is going to definitely turn away a lot of the fans that thought this was truly free and simple as downloading the app. Is it going to turn everyone away? Of course not, but I wouldn't take those download numbers that serious either.

So another thing, one would not be able to tell who is paying and who is not paying would they? Because you sign up you get a free month trial and it is up to you to cancel. If you are using the paid subscribers thinking, then wouldn't those just be the same people that had DAZN before signing up for this fight? Because even if you want to keep DAZN, you technically aren't paying for the first month and wouldn't pay for the Canelo fight.

You keep calling Meltzer a clown and a wrestling guy, but he's legit when it comes to these types of things. And it's not like he doesn't keep up with boxing, occasionally on his radio show he will talk about boxing and the numbers of certain events. Meltzer also is plugged in with Bellator and has sources there. It is entirely possible he had a source from there that would know the numbers being with DAZN. He's not strictly just a wrestling guy. He's a respectable dude all things considered.

So yeah, we are just going in circles. You are definitely entitled to think Meltzer is off with his statement and the fight did better than what he is making it out to be. But I just wouldn't make the mistake of brushing him off as a nobody.

[KTFOKING]

It was a big risk. I am pretty sure many of Canelo's fans are older Mexicans who don't do the whole streaming thing. They don't care about streaming they just want to watch their favorite fighter and are probably pissed off they have to have their grandkids set it up for them rather than just turn to a particular channel. Streaming is for young people.

This venture is going to have some growing pains and there isn't much flexibility when you drop more than 300 million on one guy. You better believe that this makes it more likely we see Canelo/GGG Part 3 next year.

Yeah, this is why I think they need to keep the PPV option available for those that prefer to watch it that way while at the same time letting the subscribers watch the fight on DAZN. That is what the WWE does with their PPVs. They understand the older crowd simply won't get how to watch it on a network or wouldn't want to do the extra work of getting it to their television.

The venture is definitely going to go through their fair share of growing pains but that is why I wouldn't make too much of this fight not doing good numbers, if indeed that report is true. It is totally plausible. But DAZN is playing the long game and boxing isn't going to be what determines their success or not.

[Cybervato74]

Strange to see some boxing fans wringing their hands hoping that a platform that shows boxing had an unsuccessful event.