Irrefutable proof! There was no long count!

[kafkod]

Does anybody actually know the rules in boxing?

A 10 count is NOT 10 seconds. It is purely the ref discretion of how long he counts to 10. Fury got up in time.

The rules say that when a boxer goes down the ref should send the opponent to a neutral corner then pick up the count from the official time keeper.

The time keeper will be working from a clock and calling out the count second by second. But once the ref picks up the count he will keep it going using his own judgement. He should be looking at the downed fighter, not at the time keeper or a clock.

[kafkod]

Wilder knows fury got up on time But now his argument is when fury was up, the refs extra tests to see if fury was ok gave fury more time.
But nobody thinks wilder would have stopped fury anyway. Fury just wraps his arms round you.

Doesn’t matter anyways because a ten count has never been ten seconds. I’m sure the dispute was the additional time after the ten count. End of the day, I’m glad Reiss let it continue and I look forward to the rematch.

Maybe they've changed their story now, but Wilder and his brain dead fans were claiming that Fury was down for longer than 10 seconds.

Wilder tweeted a video of the KD along with a stop watch timer that was clearly jumping and running fast.

Check it out for yourself.

#AndStill
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— Deontay Wilder (@BronzeBomber) December 5, 2018

[The Big Dunn]

I thought Reiss did a good job by not stopping the fight. I think the problem rational posters have is in other states, especially New York (remember post Magomed), the ref would've erred on the side of caution and waived it off or a commissioner would've made the ref stop it.

There is no way to regulate this its all up to the discretion of the ref.

[kafkod]

I thought Reiss did a good job by not stopping the fight. I think the problem rational posters have is in other states, especially New York (remember post Magomed), the ref would've aired on the side of caution and waived it off or a commissioner would've made the ref stop it.

There is no way to regulate this its all up to the discretion of the ref.

I've just been looking at comments in a thread about Stevenson/Gvodzyk, some posters there are critising the ref for not jumping in and stopping it before Adonis actually went down.

I'm also remembering the endless whining about "UK stoppages" that goes on at this place ... and seeing those same whiners now crying because we didn't get a UK type stoppage in Wilder/Fury!

[The Big Dunn]

I've just been looking at comments in a thread about Stevenson/Gvodzyk, some posters there are critising the ref for not jumping in and stopping it before Adonis actually went down.

I'm also remembering the endless whining about "UK stoppages" that goes on at this place ... and seeing those same whiners now crying because we didn't get a UK type stoppage in Wilder/Fury!

Well that is fair criticism in the minds of those posters. Not all of us get introduced to the sport in the same way. And, we are in the era of more safety in all sports so it isn't surprising to see those reactions.

You are going to get some people who are upset the fight wasn't stopped because they wanted wilder to win and have seen other fights stopped prematurely. I think there is a rational point to be made that Reiss could've stopped it. I simply don't agree and think he did the right thing.

[billeau2]

This is the best video of the 12th round Fury/Wilder knock down that I've seen, because it clearly shows Jack Reiss and the female time-keeper working together to make that count as near perfect as humanly possible

The time-keeper is the woman in the black and white striped vest, bottom left of the picture.

The first thing Reiss does when Fury goes down is wave his hand right hand and point emphatically at the canvas to indicate to the time-keeper ... the count starts now.

She immediately stands up and raises her own right hand, then starts calling the count for Reiss until she is sure he has picked it up correctly.

Check the time on the video .. Fury hits the canvas a fraction of a second before 0.40 and he is up by 0.49.

That's nine seconds, folks!

Nice work Kafkod!! Just a side note... The big picture, so to speak, is that to anyone watching, Reiss does things intelligently and with no designs on extending the count, etc... The act of kneeling down and surveying the fallen opponent carefully is another example, it shows NOT that he wants to extend anything (it did not take more time in so doing) but that he wants to make sure, take responsibility for making a very hard decision.

This ref is a class act. He wanted to give both guys every possible way to show greatness. And in fact counts, as a couple of posters have also indicated, are somewhat flexible at times... Depending on the neutral corner, etc. or what if the fighter's butt is off the ground, he is rising to the full position, and the ref counts ten.... you know the stuff that could happen during the count.

having said that, K is right... this was not a long count.

[kafkod]

Well that is fair criticism in the minds of those posters. Not all of us get introduced to the sport in the same way. And, we are in the era of more safety in all sports so it isn't surprising to see those reactions.

You are going to get some people who are upset the fight wasn't stopped because they wanted wilder to win and have seen other fights stopped prematurely. I think there is a rational point to be made that Reiss could've stopped it. I simply don't agree and think he did the right thing.

If the fight had been in the UK - with any ref except Ian John Lewis - it might well have been stopped without a count.

Moral of the story .. if you want a UK stoppage .. come and fight in the UK!

[Lopez_Boxing]

Doesn’t matter anyways because a ten count has never been ten seconds. I’m sure the dispute was the additional time after the ten count. End of the day, I’m glad Reiss let it continue and I look forward to the rematch.

Thank you sir. It’s as simple as this^^^. The ref is the official count and in this case he was right. HW championship fight. Tyson was on his feet didn’t take further punishment and performed to well the whole fight to lose it then. If you have to take it from the champion then you have to give the challenger a chance too. Great call

[The Big Dunn]

If the fight had been in the UK - with any ref except Ian John Lewis - it might well have been stopped without a count.

Moral of the story .. if you want a UK stoppage .. come and fight in the UK!

LOL. If that fight was in the UK or New York it very well might have been Fury L KO12.

Reiss, IMO, did the sport a huge favor the way he conducted himself in the 12th round. It's a shame too many people are so caught up in BS to realize this.

[kafkod]

Nice work Kafkod!! Just a side note... The big picture, so to speak, is that to anyone watching, Reiss does things intelligently and with no designs on extending the count, etc... The act of kneeling down and surveying the fallen opponent carefully is another example, it shows NOT that he wants to extend anything (it did not take more time in so doing) but that he wants to make sure, take responsibility for making a very hard decision.

This ref is a class act. He wanted to give both guys every possible way to show greatness. And in fact counts, as a couple of posters have also indicated, are somewhat flexible at times... Depending on the neutral corner, etc. or what if the fighter's butt is off the ground, he is rising to the full position, and the ref counts ten.... you know the stuff that could happen during the count.

having said that, K is right... this was not a long count.

Apparently, telling the fighter to walk away from him then turn around and walk back is something Jack Reiss always does after a bad KD. I've seen 2 videos of him doing that for other guys who were dropped hard.