Comments Thread For: Wilder-Fury Draw Falls Within Scoring "Cone of Uncertainty"

[NachoMan]

6 rounds for wilder is a stretch. He needs the benefit of the doubt to get 5.

or a paid judge.

[Ake-Dawg]

I do see and appreciate your logic. You're right, it's not the Olympics, but its also not 1876 when the referee just raised the hand of the guy who he thought won (presumably "the guy he would rather be at the end"). The scoring logic that you defend is not consistent with the 10 point must system, which is what is prescribed by the Association of Boxing Commission's Unified Rules of Boxing (go Harold Lederman!). Whichever criteria you apply for determining the winner of a round (effective aggression, Clean/hard punching, etc.), it is worth only 1 point. The winner gets the 10-9. You determine that first, then deduct points for knockdowns and fouls. Boxing judging is subjective, but there is also a methodology behind the scoring. Too many fans and judges want to give extra points for kds, but its just not consistent with the rules.

Are you saying a knockdown doesn't cause a loss of a point in a round? Are you saying that a fighter who gets knocked down but doesn't return fire (punches) equivalent to getting knocked down can win a round? You can't sit back and say "outside of the knockdown, said fighter won the round". You have to say, even though he got knocked down, he landed enough shots equivalent or greater than getting knocked down plus any additional punches his opponent landed.

[uppercut510]

Dude, you don't need an ophthalmologist. If you seriously scored the fight 114-112 for Wilder, you need to first get some ****-ing eyes!

either way the fight was close and it was not this dominant performace by fury some are making it out to be, I can see some saying fury won a close fight but ive rewatched it with zero sound and it was close

[inidouh]

"100% of Fury fans have Fury winning" is not exactly a compelling argument.

The majority of the ringside press had it a draw or Wilder winning. I'll take a guy like Dan Rafael - a guy who has won awards for boxing journalism - and who had Wilder winning by a round over some anonymous user from a message board. The tight scores, the almost dead-even CompuBox numbers and the very mixed scorecards of the boxing press at ringside are strong indications that this fight was far closer than most want to admit.

Of course, if someone sits there and listens to guys like Floyd and Lewis - who publicly spoke about being Fury favorites before the fight - gab all night long while watching the fight, it's human nature to be influenced by that. People don't realize they're being told who is winning the fight while watching it. And far too many people here don't actually understand boxing scoring either. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad how many people want to talk about Ring Generalship. Ring Generalship doesn't win a damn thing without the punches to back it up like aggression doesn't win a damn thing if you're not connecting.

Can you verify this?

[Real King Kong]

or a paid judge.

a judge giving him 7 rounds in that right definitely raises red flags.

[hugh grant]

The 9th and 12th rounds should have been 10-9 rounds. Fury hurt wilder and win rest of rounds.

[NachoMan]

Are you saying a knockdown doesn't cause a loss of a point in a round? Are you saying that a fighter who gets knocked down but doesn't return fire (punches) equivalent to getting knocked down can win a round? You can't sit back and say "outside of the knockdown, said fighter won the round". You have to say, even though he got knocked down, he landed enough shots equivalent or greater than getting knocked down plus any additional punches his opponent landed.

No, that's not at all what I said. I very clearly stated that a knockdown is worth a 1-point deduction and that it is not worth anything more. Its not worth any additional consideration other than that 1 point deduction. If Fighters A and B dance around in a circle for the entire round without throwing a single punch except at the end when Fighter A throws a punch and knocks down Fighter B, then the round should be scored, per the rules, a 10-9 for Fighter A. I do realize that almost every judge and every fan, however, would score this 10-8 because they also awarded Fighter A the point for winning the round even though he did nothing more than the knockdown punch which he already got credit for.

Even though it is not consistent with the rules most people effectively consider a knockdown to be worth 2 points.

[Granath]

Can you verify this?

There was already an article on this very site about the ringside press and their scorecards.

[JLC]

The 9th and 12th rounds should have been 10-9 rounds. Fury hurt wilder and win rest of rounds.

That's not how it works. Fury would have had to almost have Wilder out on his feet in order to gain a point back. Especially in the 12th when he barely beat the count himself.

I do agree that in the 12th he hurt Wilder with a 1-2 that forced Deontay to hold, but know way on God's green earth was that enough to get him an extra point in that round. To gain that point back without scoring a knockdown himself you really need to make STRONG STATEMENT offensively.

[PunchyPotorff]

First off... '...my 11-plus years in the southernmost state...' is wrong unless you live in Hawaii, THE southernmost state in the U.S. FL is the southernmost state in the CONTINENTAL U.S.

Now, as for the 'cone of uncertainty', what a hoot. Because is you follow the scoring rules.... Wilder would not only have had to be aggressive... he had to have EFFECTIVE aggression. Which he only had for a few seconds here and there. Fury OWNED Wilder in about 9-10 rounds of the 12 round fight.... with excellent ring generalship. And BTW, the knockdown rounds scoring was bogus. Should have been 10-9 each, not 10-8 each. Because, outside of the knockdowns, Fury controlled the action easily in those 2 rounds.

I had it either 8-4 Fury or 9-3 Fury, Can't remember, didn't write it down while watching at the theater. But at any rate, Rochin is a disgusting excuse for a judge, and should be banned from the sport FNO.

FURY WON THE FIGHT. END OF STATEMENT.