The genius of Wilder: So bad, he’s good

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  • Cutthroat
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    #21
    Originally posted by billeau2
    Ill believe that if he fights well against Fury. The problem with this understanding is the way Wilder beat Ortiz, who had him in trouble. It looked to me like Ortiz ran out of gas and could not move enough to avoid being hit. It didn't look deliberate, or set up regarding Wilder, more like he just was young and strong enough not to get sparked when Ortiz had him in trouble...and could then find a big punch later. It is impressive that his power carried into the later rounds.

    Again, win or lose, if he looks able against Fury ill believe that Wilder has improved and is one of those guys who has the ability to set the table his way and get things done.

    Well that's what Wilder's punches do, they zap your energy and hurt you. You won't be the same after tasting a few of Wilder's shots. Ortiz was down as soon as what round 2? From a jab no less. Then he got dropped very hard in the 5th?

    Wilder doesn't need many punches to affect you. Fury is going to have to box a perfect fight, even 1 punch can end it like that.

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    • Cutthroat
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      #22
      Originally posted by boliodogs
      You are making Wilder's opponents look a hell of a lot better than they actually were by conveniently leaving out their loses and where they were ranked when Wilder fought them. His resume stinks and Ortiz was his first decent title defense. AJ has faced many more and better higher ranked champions and contenders in about half as many pro fights. AJ knocked out Molina so much faster and easier than Wilder did.
      Stiverne & Ortiz were both ranked in the top 4 at HW when Wilder beat them. All listed opponents had power, if Wilder's chin is so bad why hasn't he been down in like 8 years?

      Compared to Tyson Fury Wilder's chin look significantly better, same as Wladimir Klitschko who has been rocked by guys like Wach.

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      • billeau2
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        #23
        Originally posted by Cutthroat
        Well that's what Wilder's punches do, they zap your energy and hurt you. You won't be the same after tasting a few of Wilder's shots. Ortiz was down as soon as what round 2? From a jab no less. Then he got dropped very hard in the 5th?

        Wilder doesn't need many punches to affect you. Fury is going to have to box a perfect fight, even 1 punch can end it like that.
        If you look at the big picture, punchers have it tough... 12 rounds instead of 15 to catch the guy... bigger gloves, etc. Wilder is still a guy who needs his big punch to land against a mobile opponent. And Ortiz had his moments in that fight.

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        • johnbook
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          #24
          If they ever meet, AJ will test Wilder's beard. But Fury won't. Strange how some here are saying Fury will KO him. Would be a bigger shock than Buster Douglas.

          I know the oddsmakers have it even, but what are their odds for a Fury KO?

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          • KingHippo
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            #25
            He's without a doubt the most athletically gifted fighter in heavyweight history, so that makes up for any gaps in his game.

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            • man down
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              #26
              If he keeps on winning I dont care what it looks like. It works, dont fix it.

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              • Biolink
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                #27
                Originally posted by Cutthroat
                Wilder doesn't throw strictly looping punches, he throws a ton of very short punches that often go unnoticed like the jab that he dropped Ortiz with.

                He's a good inside fighter and body puncher as well, but one of his strongest skills is his management of distance. His distance management is on the level of the Klitschko bros and Fury, it's elite.

                Very difficult to even hit Wilder unless he's taking chances and trying to land himself. Wilder is very skilled just not so much fundamentally which is what most people are only capable of seeing, it's a failure of the fans to see his sheer skill.
                What's some good in fighting vids of Wilder?

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