The genius of Wilder: So bad, he’s good

[Cortez]

Wilder doesn't throw strictly looping punches, he throws a ton of very short punches that often go unnoticed like the jab that he dropped Ortiz with.

He's a good inside fighter and body puncher as well, but one of his strongest skills is his management of distance. His distance management is on the level of the Klitschko bros and Fury, it's elite.

Very difficult to even hit Wilder unless he's taking chances and trying to land himself. Wilder is very skilled just not so much fundamentally which is what most people are only capable of seeing, it's a failure of the fans to see his sheer skill.

good points, what about that chin though ?

Surly it cannot be any good, the body type Wilder has, history has shown, monster punchers, glass jaws !

[Cutthroat]

good points, what about that chin though ?

Surly it cannot be any good, the body type Wilder has, history has shown, monster punchers, glass jaws !

He has a pretty good beard, not an iron chin but I'd say it's slightly above average.

He's fought some pretty big and decent punchers, many of them have hit him clean on the chin and didn't really affect him:

Stiverne-25 wins, 21 KO's
Ortiz-29 wins, 25 KO's
Washington-19 wins, 12 KO's
Arreola-36 wins, 29 KO's
Szpilka-22 wins, 15 KO's
Molina-26 wins, 19 KO's


Compared to other heavies in the division past and present, it holds up pretty well. Tyson Fury has been down and rocked against multiple opponents, same with Wlad who was rocked by guys like Wach, Wilder walked through Duhaupas whereas a guy like Helenius got stopped against him, etc.

[TheBoxingfan101]

wilder is fundamentally flawed when it comes to his boxing skills,
after round one wilder be left feeling baffled and clueless

[Heru]

Wilder has the talent and skills to be one of the best Heavyweights in the world (which he is). Relative to Heavyweight, Wilder has elite height, length, conditioning, hand speed, power, mental strength, and defense.

The reason I see him losing to Fury is that Fury's ring generalship and defense are not only elite, but are the best in the division. Fury's going to dictate the pace and place of the fight, neutralize Wilder's offense with his defense, and have him guessing on defense with his feints, footwork, and offense. Wilder's going to have to put in a Herculean effort to overcome Fury's advantages and he has the ability to do just that, but I have Fury winning a wide decision.

[boliodogs]

What a bunch of BS right down to bringing in Bruce Lee's BS 1 inch punch. You seem to be living in your own fantasy world and just love all this strange mystery stuff. Sticking to real boxing only and leaving out the kung fu Wilder has fought only one legit top 6 heavyweight named Ortiz. He came close to losing to Ortiz and getting knocked out. What Wilder has going for him is fast hands and great power especially with his straight right. His is not so bad he is good. His sloppiness and wide telegraphed punches are a minus that could get him beat when he fights better fighters than Ortiz.

[Bobby Deez]

tyson fury will beat wilder's ass back to wakanda.

Damn bruh.. That's cold blooded

[eco1]

Yeah, Wilder does things “wrong.” But they end up working well.
Wilder is like a type of comedian, who’s so bad he ends up being funny.

His wide, looping punches would be a no-no for most boxers, but given his long arms, they are out of his opponent’s peripheral vision. So they connect, often unseen till the last moment. Then too he sometimes connects with the wrist area of the glove—a no-no. Since he’s got so much speed on the punch, and the glove hardly has padding there…well, opponents go down. And the ref has no clue--neither does anyone else till they see the replay.

Then he gets too close for comfort, but his hands have incredible speed. Vs Ortiz, IIRC the first time Ortiz went down, it was ruled a slip. But we can barely make out that it was in fact a punch. And you can see from the worried look on Ortiz’s face he knew it was a punch he hadn’t seen. It was like Bruce Lee’s vaunted 1 inch punch.

It was much faster than Ali’s “phantom punch” which is easily seen on YT. Like with Lee, it should have been filmed at a faster rate so that it could better be slowed down later. Wilder may have the fastest hands of any top boxer now. Amazing for someone of that height and arm length.

Wilder—so bad he’s good or great.

you came up with all of this BS just by yourself?

[boliodogs]

He has a pretty good beard, not an iron chin but I'd say it's slightly above average.

He's fought some pretty big and decent punchers, many of them have hit him clean on the chin and didn't really affect him:

Stiverne-25 wins, 21 KO's
Ortiz-29 wins, 25 KO's
Washington-19 wins, 12 KO's
Arreola-36 wins, 29 KO's
Szpilka-22 wins, 15 KO's
Molina-26 wins, 19 KO's


Compared to other heavies in the division past and present, it holds up pretty well. Tyson Fury has been down and rocked against multiple opponents, same with Wlad who was rocked by guys like Wach, Wilder walked through Duhaupas whereas a guy like Helenius got stopped against him, etc.

You are making Wilder's opponents look a hell of a lot better than they actually were by conveniently leaving out their loses and where they were ranked when Wilder fought them. His resume stinks and Ortiz was his first decent title defense. AJ has faced many more and better higher ranked champions and contenders in about half as many pro fights. AJ knocked out Molina so much faster and easier than Wilder did.

[billeau2]

Wilder doesn't throw strictly looping punches, he throws a ton of very short punches that often go unnoticed like the jab that he dropped Ortiz with.

He's a good inside fighter and body puncher as well, but one of his strongest skills is his management of distance. His distance management is on the level of the Klitschko bros and Fury, it's elite.

Very difficult to even hit Wilder unless he's taking chances and trying to land himself. Wilder is very skilled just not so much fundamentally which is what most people are only capable of seeing, it's a failure of the fans to see his sheer skill.

Ill believe that if he fights well against Fury. The problem with this understanding is the way Wilder beat Ortiz, who had him in trouble. It looked to me like Ortiz ran out of gas and could not move enough to avoid being hit. It didn't look deliberate, or set up regarding Wilder, more like he just was young and strong enough not to get sparked when Ortiz had him in trouble...and could then find a big punch later. It is impressive that his power carried into the later rounds.

Again, win or lose, if he looks able against Fury ill believe that Wilder has improved and is one of those guys who has the ability to set the table his way and get things done.

[johnbook]

What a bunch of BS right down to bringing in Bruce Lee's BS 1 inch punch. You seem to be living in your own fantasy world and just love all this strange mystery stuff. Sticking to real boxing only and leaving out the kung fu Wilder has fought only one legit top 6 heavyweight named Ortiz. He came close to losing to Ortiz and getting knocked out. What Wilder has going for him is fast hands and great power especially with his straight right. His is not so bad he is good. His sloppiness and wide telegraphed punches are a minus that could get him beat when he fights better fighters than Ortiz.

Well Lee's 1 inch punch is easily found on youtube.
RE your comment about my "living in a fantasy world and just love this strange, mystery stuff": You don't know me. I did boxing for some time and karate for many years.
I know a little about both and not any "fantasy" or "mystery" and stand by my analysis being based on observations and experience.
Wilder appears to be a one of a kind who uses his deficits to remarkable advantage. As I noted, his straight punches have great speed which is all the more remarkable given his height and arm length.

We will soon see, although it's a lose lose for Wilder. If he wins by KO, they'll just say that Fury was a shell of himself, which appears to be true.

If Fury wins, that would be amazing to me, though it's fascinating [if true] that the oddsmakers have it 50-50. 5 days to go.