how come lomachenko has compiled a better CV than crawford in 22 less fights....

[Lomadeaux]

Loma hasn't padded his record out with 2-3 years of fighting trash like the majority of good prospects who turn pro do.

Yea, well I wouldn't say it's trash. Crawford has fought and beat a lot of fighters.

Lomachenko just fought the best real quick because he was one of the best fighters in the world regardless of the fact that he was still an amateur.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't dislike Loma at all. I like him and You know this.

Whenever I see this type of thread I suggest Bob match them up. Why at 147-because that is the glamour division and because , like Duran, you find out how great you are by going up. Any fighter that goes up isn't going to be "at their best" or "the best version of themselves" so I'm not sure why Loma has to be his best version in a fight while historically others have not.

A lot of people think Loma is an ATG. Beating Crawford at 147, just like Duran beating Leonard at 147, would solidify his status as such.

Passively suggesting race is the reason should be beneath you but sadly is your M.O. Shameful.

And Lomachenko had Rigondeaux move up two weight classes.

Crawford vs Lomachenko is a dream fight I'd love to see it.

[The Big Dunn]

And Lomachenko had Rigondeaux move up two weight classes.

Crawford vs Lomachenko is a dream fight I'd love to see it.

You know Dan I just didn't even feel the need to mention that. I guess being one of the older guys on the board who started watching before the "junior" or "super" weight classes were introduced, I didn't expect the suggestion to be responded to like this.

Then to see some dude suggest AJ/Crawford. WTF?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

You have no idea what weight Loma walks around at so please don't arbitrarily pick a number that supports your argument. I didn't ask him to fight at ww, I suggested he and Crawford fight as one way to answer who is better.

I don't know. Loma started at an older age so you can't compare his resume to someone that started fghting pro at 20/21. Had Loma come in then, we all know his resume would be different. If you add in the 6 quasi pro fights then it looks less spectacular and shows the kind of "growth" fights young pros use to build their brand.

Why bring up AJ, that is utterly ******ed. It is completely reasonable that a great 135lber would fight a great 147lber-maybe not in this day in age though. Just like it would be completely reasonable to suggest Crawford or Spence fight Canelo if one of them dominated WW-same as suggesting Floyd go up to fight GGG which I and others suggested.

It really isn't that big a deal to suggest they fight.

The guy says he walks around at 138. Compare him to other people his size. Could I be off a few pounds? Sure, but those few pounds doesnt make a huge difference. Let's say hes 140. Cant complain about saying hes 138.

Look at the size difference between him and Linares. It was about the exact same as him vs Rigo.

Then on top of that, Crawford fights at WW and we all know about how much those guys weight. Come on now.

Also. Amateur style is not pro style. Quasi pro could count but it's like saying Semi-pro athletes and pro athletes should be mentioned in the same breath.

If you watched lomachenko though his career so far his style has changed a lot. It's not the same anymore. Its "pro style".

And Crawford will never fight loma. Hes too big and Arum ain't gonna kill 2 cash cows with one fight.

Also. Loma is staying at 135

[The Big Dunn]

The guy says he walks around at 138. Compare him to other people his size. Could I be off a few pounds? Sure, but those few pounds doesnt make a huge difference. Let's say hes 140. Cant complain about saying hes 138.

Look at the size difference between him and Linares. It was about the exact same as him vs Rigo.

Then on top of that, Crawford fights at WW and we all know about how much those guys weight. Come on now.

Also. Amateur style is not pro style. Quasi pro could count but it's like saying Semi-pro athletes and pro athletes should be mentioned in the same breath.

If you watched lomachenko though his career so far his style has changed a lot. It's not the same anymore. Its "pro style".

And Crawford will never fight loma. Hes too big and Arum ain't gonna kill 2 cash cows with one fight.

Also. Loma is staying at 135

My point is we don't really know. I hate it when people assume what a guy walks arund at when we have no idea. i've done that in the past as well so I had to stop it.

The quasi pro fights were 6-8 3 min rounds without headgear, same as regular pro fights. The level was what you'd expect a just turning pro fighter to have. They were quasi only in that they didn't count against the record. It's not fair to suggest this is like semi pro football or hoops players against pros.

I agree they will likely not fight. I don't think it's just size. i think it's length and ability to box and move. Much like Leonard/Duran-I think skill will prevail over size. When Leonard used his skill he did much better than when he used his size.

[chrisJS]

My point is we don't really know. I hate it when people assume what a guy walks arund at when we have no idea. i've done that in the past as well so I had to stop it.

The quasi pro fights were 6-8 3 min rounds without headgear, same as regular pro fights. The level was what you'd expect a just turning pro fighter to have. They were quasi only in that they didn't count against the record. It's not fair to suggest this is like semi pro football or hoops players against pros.

I agree they will likely not fight. I don't think it's just size. i think it's length and ability to box and move. Much like Leonard/Duran-I think skill will prevail over size. When Leonard used his skill he did much better than when he used his size.

They were 5 round fights with 10 oz gloves against fighters with 0 professional fights.

[MehdiQaos]

I never seen Loma outboxed in the 5 first rounds by someone 2 devisions lower the way Crawford was outboxed against Gamboa

[MehdiQaos]

I've never seen Crawford get touched up by a journeyman the way Loma did against Marriaga. A journeyman he forced to move up in weight coming off a loss. Still remember the dumb look on his face trying to explain it in the post fight.

I never seen Loma outboxed in the 5 first rounds by someone 2 devisions lower the way Crawford was outboxed against Gamboa

[R-Hand Southpaw]

You know Dan I just didn't even feel the need to mention that. I guess being one of the older guys on the board who started watching before the "junior" or "super" weight classes were introduced, I didn't expect the suggestion to be responded to like this.

Then to see some dude suggest AJ/Crawford. WTF?

I'm not sure if your the dude who said Lomachenko got marked up by Marriaga and no way Crawford would get marked by a guy of Marriagas caliber but dude. Marriaga headbutted Lomachenko twice if I recall corrected and the first one cut him. You're objective you say?

And then I stated some outlandish claim to mock your rationale. Which you literally took literal. That's hilarious. Let's be more honest. Let's move Crawford up to middle weight. Two full categories over his size. Think he would be #1 in the MW division? Moving him up proves nothing. Your rational is still dumb. Lomachenko is maxed at 135 like Crawford is maxed at 147. Move up for either of these guys proves nothing. I agree. They're not fighting.

And then to rigo. The fight was offered to him at 126. Lomachenko even bet his entire purse that Rigo wouldn't win the fight. Rigo said no.

You're the dude who literally said, move up to prove yourself. Lmao. And now your rational goes full circle.

Lets pretend I'm you and I'm saying Rigo needs to move up to "prove himself". Rigo literally had to move up one class to fight lomachenko initially. He said no. But I guess hes so great that he instead wanted a challenge and decided to fight 2 classes out of size right? Because Duran could do it, they're not great if they do it too eh?

Then he, Rigo, started a huge charade about how hes gonna do it and how he not afraid and then he got smacked real hard. Lomachenko literally semi retired Rigo and humiliated him. It wouldn't have mattered if the fight happened at 122, 126, 130. The skill gap was huge.

And keep in mind this was a guy who was labeled a defensive genius and was in a lot of peoples p4p lists at the time.

Dude. Dont pretend you're trying to be objective. Your rational is ******ed in its fullest. That's what bothers me. You act like you're some unbiased guy but everyone has their biases. No need to pretend like you don't.

[Mister Wolf]

I never seen Loma outboxed in the 5 first rounds by someone 2 devisions lower the way Crawford was outboxed against Gamboa

If you paid attention to that fight you would realize Crawford only struggled when he was fighting right handed. As soon as he switched lefty Gamboa had nothing for him. He wasn't taking Gamboa serious until then. You sound pathetic comparing a talent like Gamboa to Marriaga. Also Gamboa had a fight at 135 before he fought Crawford and continued to do so after he lost. Do some research before you post ****** comparisons.