how come lomachenko has compiled a better CV than crawford in 22 less fights....

[chrisJS]

I didn't post that. You pretending that is what I posted is just deflection.

I didn't act like that at all. Basically, you think Loma will lose so you tried to make my post a race thing and now are purposely pretending I posted something I didn't because you can't adequately refute my reasoning for the fight to be at 147. Shameful dude.

If you think Loma beats everyone 140 and below-and you do-there is nothing wrong with putting him in a fight you don't think he will win. Then if he does win, his greatness would be affirmed.

I think he would beat all at 140 but close fights because he’d be dwarfed and I think he’s too small and would lose to a number of welterweights at this point in time. I don’t think it would due to being inferior as you are suggesting. I think Crawford gets stopped by Canelo but I don’t think Canelo is in Crawford’s class. I think Usyk May lose at Heavyweight but it wouldn’t be because he’s lesser so that’s why your “see who’s better” comment is a little off. In that case then is Joshua the “best” fighter in the world?

You actually threw Duran out there as sort of a “If Duran can do it then anyone can” when in reality Duran didn’t just overnight move up.

[The Big Dunn]

I think he would beat all at 140 but close fights because he’d be dwarfed and I think he’s too small and would lose to a number of welterweights at this point in time. I don’t think it would due to being inferior as you are suggesting. I think Crawford gets stopped by Canelo but I don’t think Canelo is in Crawford’s class. I think Usyk May lose at Heavyweight but it wouldn’t be because he’s lesser so that’s why your “see who’s better” comment is a little off. In that case then is Joshua the “best” fighter in the world?

You actually threw Duran out there as sort of a “If Duran can do it then anyone can” when in reality Duran didn’t just overnight move up.

I don't see why you couldn't have just responded like that from the beginning. Perfectly reasonable. The difference:
1. Canelo is not seen in the same light as Crawford or Loma, 2 guys people have generally separated form everyone else in the p4p discussion.
2. there are a number of 154lbers people think will beat Crawford while many people think Loma can't be defeated below 140.

I wouldn't ask a fighter I didn't think capable of doing what Duran did to do that. The point was Duran affirmed his greatness, Loma could do same.

[Madison Boxing]

I don't see why you couldn't have just responded like that from the beginning. Perfectly reasonable. The difference:
1. Canelo is not seen in the same light as Crawford or Loma, 2 guys people have generally separated form everyone else in the p4p discussion.
2. there are a number of 154lbers people think will beat Crawford while many people think Loma can't be defeated below 140.

I wouldn't ask a fighter I didn't think capable of doing what Duran did to do that. The point was Duran affirmed his greatness, Loma could do same.

All u ever want is crawford to fight smaller guys

[The Big Dunn]

All u ever want is crawford to fight smaller guys

Spence isn't smaller. Neither is Manny or Thurman.

You keep floating the myth Loma's resume is better. If you think Loma is better, match them in the ring. That will answer the question.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

I wouldn't ask a fighter I didn't think capable of doing what Duran did to do that. The point was Duran affirmed his greatness, Loma could do same.

Moving up doesn't reaffirm anything. People are built differently and EVERYONE knows Lomachenko is already maxed out at 135. Could he move to 140? Maybe. But the guy will have to give up a TON of weight. Lomachenko walks around at 138lbs.

I would like you to explain how you think lomachenko, who is already small for 135, and doesnt have serious KO power, can fight in a division where the guys weight around close to 40lbs more than him on any given day?

People already think Mikey is too small for 147 and that dude is bigger than Loma.

Spence isn't smaller. Neither is Manny or Thurman.

You keep floating the myth Loma's resume is better. If you think Loma is better, match them in the ring. That will answer the question.

Lomachenkos resume is better for how long it is. Unlike Crawford, he hasnt had the luxury of fighting someone who unified 2 titles to go along with his.

How you rationalize loma is ******. Why not put Crawford in with AJ if hes so good and so great. Dumb logic because we all know loma has the skills but at 147 he is too small

[chrisJS]

I don't see why you couldn't have just responded like that from the beginning. Perfectly reasonable. The difference:
1. Canelo is not seen in the same light as Crawford or Loma, 2 guys people have generally separated form everyone else in the p4p discussion.
2. there are a number of 154lbers people think will beat Crawford while many people think Loma can't be defeated below 140.

I wouldn't ask a fighter I didn't think capable of doing what Duran did to do that. The point was Duran affirmed his greatness, Loma could do same.

So if Crawford beat Loma at 147 he's flat out better but if Canelo beats Crawford at 160 he isn't necessarily better?

[The Big Dunn]

Moving up doesn't reaffirm anything. People are built differently and EVERYONE knows Lomachenko is already maxed out at 135. Could he move to 140? Maybe. But the guy will have to give up a TON of weight. Lomachenko walks around at 138lbs.

I would like you to explain how you think lomachenko, who is already small for 135, and doesnt have serious KO power, can fight in a division where the guys weight around close to 40lbs more than him on any given day?

People already think Mikey is too small for 147 and that dude is bigger than Loma.



Lomachenkos resume is better for how long it is. Unlike Crawford, he hasnt had the luxury of fighting someone who unified 2 titles to go along with his.

How you rationalize loma is ******. Why not put Crawford in with AJ if hes so good and so great. Dumb logic because we all know loma has the skills but at 147 he is too small

You have no idea what weight Loma walks around at so please don't arbitrarily pick a number that supports your argument. I didn't ask him to fight at ww, I suggested he and Crawford fight as one way to answer who is better.

I don't know. Loma started at an older age so you can't compare his resume to someone that started fghting pro at 20/21. Had Loma come in then, we all know his resume would be different. If you add in the 6 quasi pro fights then it looks less spectacular and shows the kind of "growth" fights young pros use to build their brand.

Why bring up AJ, that is utterly ******ed. It is completely reasonable that a great 135lber would fight a great 147lber-maybe not in this day in age though. Just like it would be completely reasonable to suggest Crawford or Spence fight Canelo if one of them dominated WW-same as suggesting Floyd go up to fight GGG which I and others suggested.

It really isn't that big a deal to suggest they fight.

[The Big Dunn]

So if Crawford beat Loma at 147 he's flat out better but if Canelo beats Crawford at 160 he isn't necessarily better?

I didn't post or imply that so I don't understand why you are asking other than the fact that you still can't justify the irrational response you gave to my perfectly reasonable suggestion they fight.

My point is Crawford and Loma are generally seen as the #1 & #2 p4p fighters in the world. Canelo is not considered to be that high on the list.

when either Crawford or Spence is seen as the best WW then I would have no issue with either moving up to fight Canelo.

[chrisJS]

I didn't post or imply that so I don't understand why you are asking other than the fact that you still can't justify the irrational response you gave to my perfectly reasonable suggestion they fight.

My point is Crawford and Loma are generally seen as the #1 & #2 p4p fighters in the world. Canelo is not considered to be that high on the list.

when either Crawford or Spence is seen as the best WW then I would have no issue with either moving up to fight Canelo.

You said a fight between the two of them would suggest clearly who's the better fighter ignoring that size can be a factor.

If Canelo beat Crawford would that means he's better? Do you think Joey Maxim was a better fighter than Robinson? If you don't think so then your point about Crawford beating the much smaller Lomachenko has holes in it and is flawed and hypocritical.

[The Big Dunn]

You said a fight between the two of them would suggest clearly who's the better fighter ignoring that size can be a factor.

If Canelo beat Crawford would that means he's better? Do you think Joey Maxim was a better fighter than Robinson? If you don't think so then your point about Crawford beating the much smaller Lomachenko has holes in it and is flawed and hypocritical.

I didn't ignore size would be a factor. You didn't ask me who I thought would win or why. Had you, I would've posted, as I have in the past, that Crawford would win because of skill and size.

The problem is instead of asking that and keeping the discussion boxing related, you immediately went to race and then asking questions about stuff I didn't post. I don't understand why you couldn't have just asked this from the jump.

Those questions are not relevant to a discussion about Crawford and Loma. Loma very well might pull the upset. If he did, I assume you would conclude he was better than Crawford. If he didn't, I think it's fair to say Crawford was better.

Crafword IMO isn't going to beat Loma just because he is bigger. he will win because his length and ability to box and move would make it difficult for Loma to score. I don't think it's fair to suggest A Salido type loss where it is solely attributed to size.