how come lomachenko has compiled a better CV than crawford in 22 less fights....

[The Big Dunn]

Just have Bob make a fight between Loma and Crawford. Then we will know who is the better fighter.

[The Big Dunn]

everyone crying about top rank stopping crawford getting his big fights yet lomachenkos got the opponents he wanted in 12 fights and pacquiao fought a variety of different world class opponents. When they wanted a fight top rank got it done. I dont/didnt see them two fighting people outside the top 30/40 cause theres 'noone else to fight'

so whens it going to sink into peoples heads that its crawford who doesnt want to test himself against elite fighters. Is it really so hard to understand?

And correct me if im wrong but is collazo not a haymon fighter? I thought crawford wasnt allowed to fight haymon fighters, that was the bull**** that was getting repeated like some buddhist mantra.

Hes fighting the world number 32 and the world number 44 back to back and people are acting like hes desperate to fight the best if only evil bob would let him off the leash (who he decided to re-sign with and who has said he could get the spence fight done quickly).

The guy is in a comfort zone earning money and is happy to fight this sort of slop. Hes probably laughing at you guys calling him the p4p king whilst hes fighting bum after bum. It would be funny but theres fighters who go out there, fight world class opposition and prove themselves like porter who get pushed to the side cause they dont have an 0. People have crawford above him in the division after beating a couple of no hopers who porter would also rip to shreds.

What happened to actually proving something in real life rather than winning fights in peoples heads?

And we all know its mean machine who hes fighting after this. Its the same old **** fight after fight 'oh who can he fight, they are all busy' well how about ****ing try and arrange a fight when a good opponent is free rather than wait for them to get tied up and say theres noone left to fight.

Loma's official pro career began when he was 25 years old after 6 quasi pro fights. Crawford's 1st pro fight was when he was 20 year old. To make a fair comparison let's look at their careers since they were 25.

Since they both turned 25, Crawford's record is 15-0, lineal titles in 2 divisions, went up and won belt at 147. Loma is 11-1 had 1 belt at FW, LW and JLW.

Loma has slightly more name value but those names were either forced to move up (Rigo) or were shelved for almost a year before Loma fought them (Walters).

Crawford at 25 wouldn't have lost to Salido.

[Jump Up DnB]

Because he's far better than Crawford. I mean look at their amateurs careers and compare, Crawford was a bum amateur who couldn't even get to international level.

[Nay_Sayer]

Crawford beats the Orlando Salidos of the world...

[chrisJS]

Just have Bob make a fight between Loma and Crawford. Then we will know who is the better fighter.

Crawford may be too drained at 135 now so not sure it would prove much.

[The Big Dunn]

Crawford may be too drained at 135 now so not sure it would prove much.

Why would you make it at 135? It would be at 147. You are a boxing fan so why would you ask the bigger champion to go down to win a title he already won? historically the smaller guy goes up to challenge for the title.

If you guys think Loma is that great then he should be able to do what Duran did. Instead his fans want Crawford to come back down.

embarrassing suggesting coming from you.

[chrisJS]

Why would you make it at 135? It would be at 147. You are a boxing fan so why would you ask the bigger champion to go down to win a title he already won? historically the smaller guy goes up to challenge for the title.

If you guys think Loma is that great then he should be able to do what Duran did. Instead his fans want Crawford to come back down.

embarrassing suggesting coming from you.

So why should Lomachenko (an already very small lightweight) just go up two more divisions overnight?

Would Lomachenko going to 147 really represent the best of him? If not then how would it "prove who the best fighter is"?

Nobody thinks Lomachenko is as great as Duran. Not sure why that's the point to make? Because you dislike Lomachenko and his fans for reasons I think we all know.

[The Big Dunn]

So why should Lomachenko (an already very small lightweight) just go up two more divisions overnight?

Would Lomachenko going to 147 really represent the best of him? If not then how would it "prove who the best fighter is"?

Nobody thinks Lomachenko is as great as Duran. Not sure why that's the point to make? Because you dislike Lomachenko and his fans for reasons I think we all know.

I don't dislike Loma at all. I like him and You know this.

Whenever I see this type of thread I suggest Bob match them up. Why at 147-because that is the glamour division and because , like Duran, you find out how great you are by going up. Any fighter that goes up isn't going to be "at their best" or "the best version of themselves" so I'm not sure why Loma has to be his best version in a fight while historically others have not.

A lot of people think Loma is an ATG. Beating Crawford at 147, just like Duran beating Leonard at 147, would solidify his status as such.

Passively suggesting race is the reason should be beneath you but sadly is your M.O. Shameful.

[chrisJS]

I don't dislike Loma at all. I like him and You know this.

Whenever I see this type of thread I suggest Bob match them up. Why at 147-because that is the glamour division and because , like Duran, you find out how great you are by going up. Any fighter that goes up isn't going to be "at their best" or "the best version of themselves" so I'm not sure why Loma has to be his best version in a fight while historically others have not.

A lot of people think Loma is an ATG. Beating Crawford at 147, just like Duran beating Leonard at 147, would solidify his status as such.

Passively suggesting race is the reason should be beneath you but sadly is your M.O. Shameful.

So Hagler wasn't great because he didn't move up? Same for Monzon?

Is Joey Maxim better than Robinson? Did we find out Robinson isn't great there?

Duran moved up, yes, but he also had 2 1/2 years and had fought in the welterweight division about a dozen times prior to the Leonard fight in addition to walking around a LOT heavier than 135. Not sure why you just act like he jumped up over night.

[The Big Dunn]

So Hagler wasn't great because he didn't move up? Same for Monzon?

Is Joey Maxim better than Robinson? Did we find out Robinson isn't great there?

Duran moved up, yes, but he also had 2 1/2 years and had fought in the welterweight division about a dozen times prior to the Leonard fight in addition to walking around a LOT heavier than 135. Not sure why you just act like he jumped up over night.

I didn't post that. You pretending that is what I posted is just deflection.

I didn't act like that at all. Basically, you think Loma will lose so you tried to make my post a race thing and now are purposely pretending I posted something I didn't because you can't adequately refute my reasoning for the fight to be at 147. Shameful dude.

If you think Loma beats everyone 140 and below-and you do-there is nothing wrong with putting him in a fight you don't think he will win. Then if he does win, his greatness would be affirmed.