Hatman: Wilder ducked Klitschko...

[Cortez]

edit :Finkel wasn't Klitschko manager it was Bonte in 2015 , you don't know that because you don't follow timelines because you don't follow the current times. It's why Finkel would never had let Wilder fight him , we know this because he said it, it's why Wlad fought Joshua .

you need to follow timelines yourself, I remember finkel being involved in the wlad v haye negotiations, finkell has been there for ages as a business manager of some type, I think Bonte is more promotion based.

[Marchegiano]

you need to follow timelines yourself, I remember finkel being involved in the wlad v haye negotiations, finkell has been there for ages as a business manager of some type, I think Bonte is more promotion based.

I'm not sure what his angle is but REDEEMER seems to follow me around making up nonsense.

[Vinnykin]

Well to be fair the guy in the video isn't being entirely honest. 33-0 and a champion but still a prospect???? Yes. Deontay Wilder did not really have an amateur career so you have to consider the long string of low quality opponents to play the same developmental role that they missed out with the amateurs. Its not really all that unheard of. Plenty of other fighters do that especially guys from Latin America. I'll give you an example, Saul Canelo Alvarez currently has a record of 50-1-2 and sits at or near the top of most p4p lists. When he was 33-0 he had still not reached the point where he was fighting monsters like Alfonso Gomez or Matthew Hatton. He didn't fight a legit top level guy until he brought a 41-0 record into the fight with Austin Trout.

So I don't have a problem with them not thinking Wilder was ready when he was only 33-0. His lack of an amateur background made him much less experienced than your typical 33-0 fighter.

Tyson Fury had 35 amateur fights and was calling out Klitschko when he was 22.... he chased him for 5 years and only wanted to fight the #1 guy in the division.

You're seriously deflecting here. Wilder is a 10 year pro with only one good (questionable) win on his record.

Shameful.

[Marchegiano]

You can't accuse anyone of being a moron, you prove that to be you time and again in here. The videos aren't even in the same time frame, one is after Wilder won the belt and it's also showing he doesn't want the fight because he states he won't fight Klitschko until a year which is ironic considering he expected Joshua to fight him as soon as he was called out ? The difference here is Wilder was sent a contract.

Klitschko wasn't talking about himself he was talking about Wilder needing to step it up, he was already involved with Fury . This was Klitschko clearly pointing out how bad Wilder s resume is because it was.Lead stated he wanted The Wilder fight before he fought Jennings again it helps to.know what you're talking about , you seem to have difficulties in this area.

edit :Finkel wasn't Klitschko manager it was Bonte in 2015 , you don't know that because you don't follow timelines because you don't follow the current times. It's why Finkel would never had let Wilder fight him , we know this because he said it, it's why Wlad fought Joshua .

Are you ****in' serious right now?

I need to find a video that doesn't allude to but directly fits? A Video in Sept of 2015 talking about **** he's said before is not proof he's said **** before sept 2015?

A video one month later with Wlad talking about how Wilder needs a better resume before he considers a Wilder uni is in no way proof Wlad was talking about Wilder needing a better resume for Wlad to fight him?

Finkel didn't work with Klitschko it was Bonte?

Earlier this month there were multiple reports that recognized heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko said that he was willing to fight Tyson Fury in the UK, possibly at the famed Wembley Stadium. The report by advisor Shelly Finkel said that Klitschko wanted to go to the UK to make the fight. Finkel said that Klitschko would love to go to the UK because of the big boxing fan base, and the fans that he has there. Also, he stated that Klitschko wanted to shut Fury up once and for all, and would love to do it in his own backyard.

As negotiations continue to proceed for the fight there is a good chance that the fight lands at Wembley Stadium in September, according to some sources. Nothing has been confirmed yet however it seems that they are trying hard to stage the big heavyweight fight in the UK's biggest possible venue. Wembley Stadium seats around 80,000, and filled up for the Froch-Groves rematch last year.

Gabriel J Gonzalez - fightnights.com

I'm the moron who runs his mouth before knowing what he's talking about am I?

[REDEEMER]

you need to follow timelines yourself, I remember finkel being involved in the wlad v haye negotiations, finkell has been there for ages as a business manager of some type, I think Bonte is more promotion based.

Finkel retired as Klitschko manager around 2008. He was frozen out making the Joshua fight because Hearn knew he was a pain in the ass. What does Haye have to do with the Joshua or Wilder fights?

[Ray*]

Wilder did make an offer to Parker. Wilder had a fight lined up with Parker. Parker was at the Wilder/Washington fight. Suddenly a mandatory became more important than a unification, Parker fought Fury and then Arum/Parker decided there was more money and less risk to fighting AJ. I don't blame Parker for that, but it's foolish to blame Wilder for it.

Nothing is ever Wilder fault, again he had the belt since 2015 and he never once unified. Those are facts, you can blame all his rivals from heaven to earth but those are facts.

[REDEEMER]

Are you ****in' serious right now?

I need to find a video that doesn't allude to but directly fits? A Video in Sept of 2015 talking about **** he's said before is not proof he's said **** before sept 2015?

A video one month later with Wlad talking about how Wilder needs a better resume before he considers a Wilder uni is in no way proof Wlad was talking about Wilder needing a better resume for Wlad to fight him?

Finkel didn't work with Klitschko it was Bonte?



Gabriel J Gonzalez - fightnights.com

I'm the moron who runs his mouth before knowing what he's talking about am I?

One month later would matter, Fury became Wlads mandatory at some point in 2015 so what drugs are you on staying Klitschko didn't want Wilder he stated after Jennings that's the fight he was looking for and the reason why Wilder was there ? Wilder own manager who was Finkel said the fight wouldn't happen so twisting truths your going to have to do a better job it ain't working.

Edit : Again follow the sport instead of posting videos and pasting articles it's much easier to know what you're talking about !

[_Rexy_]

Nothing is ever Wilder fault, again he had the belt since 2015 and he never once unified. Those are facts, you can blame all his rivals from heaven to earth but those are facts.

Can’t force someone to fight you. Him trying to get a Parker fight is documented, Parker is on record about having talks, Parker was at his Washington match. Parker didn’t want the fight. Him trying to get a Joshua fight is documented. him trying to get a Fury fight is documented and Fury is a true champion. Fury is taking the challenge and everyone is calling him ****** for taking a risk:

[Marchegiano]

One month later would matter, Fury became Wlads mandatory at some point in 2015 so what drugs are you on staying Klitschko didn't want Wilder? Wilder own manager who was Finkel said the fight wouldn't happen so twisting truths your going to have to do a better job it ain't working.

My **** kid! Look **** up before you run that mouth, you clearly need to.

Fury became the mando way before August of 2015. He was Mando early in the year...I think it was Feb but it may be best to look that up if you want a firm date.

That doesn't have anything to do with Wilder pursuing Wlad....like at all. Mandos can be pushed aside for uni's. That's why Wlad's answer isn't "I'm fighting Fury" it is " Wilder needs a better resume". Not "After Fury" either but rather "Wilder needs a resume"

Wilder also tried to get in the way of Fury becoming mando but Peter was having none of that.

Wlad's own manager Finkel said Wilder isn't ready is just as true as Wilder's manager.

Just because you don't know a ****ing thing outside of what Eddie has told you doesn't make it true.

Wlad said he didn't want Wilder yet. Wilder said he did want Wlad. The man in the middle sided with his long term investment over his new one.

You can tell me all about how Shelly was Wilder's manager a thousand times over it doesn't change a ****ing thing. Wlad was the only one shying away from that fight.

It's funny how you lie, get shown it's nothing short of a lie, then drop your argument to rehash your previous point.....you going to admit you were mistaken about Finkel's connection to Wlad during the Fury fight or are we just going to pretend you didn't get your ass handed to you?

[Robbie Barrett]

Wilder did make an offer to Parker. Wilder had a fight lined up with Parker. Parker was at the Wilder/Washington fight. Suddenly a mandatory became more important than a unification, Parker fought Fury and then Arum/Parker decided there was more money and less risk to fighting AJ. I don't blame Parker for that, but it's foolish to blame Wilder for it.

Less risk? Joshua is viewed as the superior fighter to Wilder. You've shown what a biased clown you are with the pathetic nuthugging of Wilder.