Usyk's management contacted by Andre Ward.

[billeau2]

That's not borderline, that's a clear low blow, the last of 3 that Ward landed one after the other in full view of the ref.

And if Weeks thought they were legit body shots, why didn't he give Kovalev a count when he sat down on the rope, instead of waving him out instantly?

That picture does not tell us anything, given the angle ect. Ward also unmasked a hellacious clean accurate punch that affected Kovalev... that had a lot to do with why the Russian was putting his hands up to his head and more or less trying to "C" his body away from getting hit.

[BattlingNelson]

That guy is so obsessed with Andre Ward's dubious tactics, that he never makes any mention of Wladimir Klitschko's cheating; With his excessive holding and clinching. Nor does ever mentions Ricky Hatton's dubious tactics of holding and hitting or either Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero dirty and illegal roughhousing tactics. He only singles out Andre Ward's.

Not true. Daggum has smacked Wlad just as much so you fail.

Why do you like when fighters break the boxing rules?

[Dontbeahater]

That picture does not tell us anything, given the angle ect. Ward also unmasked a hellacious clean accurate punch that affected Kovalev... that had a lot to do with why the Russian was putting his hands up to his head and more or less trying to "C" his body away from getting hit.

Kov was done by the end of the previous round... Totally agree with you. All these salty fans can't let go that ward is undefeated and won with heart/brains/skills/hard work rather than power. Funny enough that sounds just like Usyk! Now usyk just needs to fight some p4p talent and not just c level cw.

[BattlingNelson]

That picture does not tell us anything, given the angle ect. Ward also unmasked a hellacious clean accurate punch that affected Kovalev... that had a lot to do with why the Russian was putting his hands up to his head and more or less trying to "C" his body away from getting hit.

What about you Bill. Why do you like when fighters break the rules of boxing? And do you like it only when it's holding, holding and hitting, headbutting and elbowing or do you also endorse roiding and cheating with the weigh-in?

[kafkod]

That picture does not tell us anything, given the angle ect. Ward also unmasked a hellacious clean accurate punch that affected Kovalev... that had a lot to do with why the Russian was putting his hands up to his head and more or less trying to "C" his body away from getting hit.

That video was was shot from the perfect angle to see where the punch landed, and I'm sure you know it.

Also, for your information, hurting an opponent with a clean head shot does not make it ok to punch him in the groin afterwards.

[bigjavi973]

no he doesn't. if he had great boxing skills why does he always resort to nonstop cheating and fouling when challenged? he has the fouling and surivival skills is what you meant to say but unfortunately this is boxing and i just looked at the rules did you know ward was a massive cheater! omg we have to get tapes of his fights to the commisions fast!

Always crying

[BattlingNelson]

Always crying

Funny that low IQ posters like yourself, always go after the man and not the subject.

[billeau2]

What about you Bill. Why do you like when fighters break the rules of boxing? And do you like it only when it's holding, holding and hitting, headbutting and elbowing or do you also endorse roiding and cheating with the weigh-in?

What is called cheating is a big category of behaviors, some of which are easy to judge, some not so much. Lets look at some examples.

1) A guy loads his gloves with a substance. Well in the old days some types of hand treatments were used ubiquitiously by fighters for the purposes of not breaking the hand. This is different than a fighter putting cement in their glove to hit harder. the second action is cheating and is not defensive in nature, the first action is something that was necessary when gloves were smaller so that the hand would not break on the forehead. And if you ever fought full contact karate with no hand protection and reversed punched a forehead.... There was a need to protect the hands.

2) headbutting and elbowing. In the early days of boxing there was not a big problem with head butting because guys did not square up. Whenever a fighter comes in face forward hands up there is a chance for heads to clash. Its not deliberate so much as an occupational hazard. If a fighter uses the forehead deliberately (ive seen Holyfield do this) then this is cheating yes.

Elbows are used in boxing all the time! You redirect blows, push the guy off with them, put them on the neck. This has to be addressed by the ref and by the defensive tactics of the other fighter... A professional prize fighter must learn to deal with elbows using tactics. The exception to this is hitting with the elbow, that is cheating.

3) Holding and Hitting. This is part of professional prize fighting. Otherwise they would penalize a fighter for clinching. Clinching is a natural reaction to getting hit, protecting oneself. Its part of the sport at the professional level. Refs penalize Excessive holding...Not clinching at times.

Trying to hold the hand ties both fighters up, its also part of inside fighting. Getting the gloved hand neutralized against opponents body is a type of holding and it takes skill to do so, You can't grab someone with a boxing glove in a manner that totally stops their punching. Wrestling got position, using the shoulders to push...all part of the sport.

4) Weigh ins should be same day. Take the option to cheat away from the fighter. Period.

5) Roiding is a very complex problem. Roids that help an injury should be allowed. A lot of older fighters need that sort of help and it has been shown time and time again that most roids do little to help a fighter. fight better.

In terms of using roids for performance, this is complicated. I cant say that I have thought this through enough to come out as either for, or against all performance enhancers. We have to see how much cycling these drugs during training will be part of progress. I still maintain that even in the heavyweight division of a guy trained like fighters used to train, he would have an amazing advantage over others...even others who use enhancers. Show me a heavy weight who can punch hard, throw punches for 12 rounds continually, and stay on his toes...Not a muscle bound fighter who looks like a statue.

Hope this helps. These are not simple issues Bats.

[Boxing Goat]

Just watched an interview where Usyks manager gave an interview in Russian. He said they will most likely fight the winner of Whyte vs Chisora but they recently were contacted by Andre Ward who might move up to cruiserweight to challenge Usyk

That would be cool. Ward is there for the taking now.

[Marchegiano]

Never once have I ever rooted against Andre Ward. Usyk can be number 33.