Usyk's management contacted by Andre Ward.

[billeau2]

oh yeah its really up to debate what a low blow, headbutt, what wrestling is, what holding and hitting is. I DONT KNOW DERPPPP you can play blind and dumb but i have the video evidence to show you he's cheating. you are too far gone into fanboy land to even believe it. inside fighting you keep saying. holding and hitting and wrestling is not inside fighting. inside fighting is corrales-castillo. not clamping your opponents arm and pushing him around the ring while hitting him. know the difference before coming up with a weak defense of a blatant chat. what d you get out of defending the cheater? i dont get it. he cheated and made a ton of money. cool. i would do the same. but i wouldnt expect crazy people to defend my cheating

So tell me something? how is it possible for a fighter to go inside and not push at some point? And lets say as a strategy I want to go forward and lead with my hands and my face, something fighters do, and the other guy does the same thing? Heads clash don't they? So I guess derp we should all fight like ammys with big wide stances and using two punches and avoid pushing the other guy, and never put weight on the front because heads could clash...And I guess if fighter a is getting pounded he should not clinch, because that is grabbing.

Your just mislead. You don't seem to understand that in professional prize fighting THE REF determines the conduct, not THE BOOK. Tell me the last time a ref went into the fighter's dressing room and brought a book of the rules with him and told the fighters "no pushing, no wrestling" NO the ref says "I will consider blows below here low and break and obey MY COMMANDS AT ALL TIMES.

Sorry D, you just have to take the L on this one... The Ammy's a very restrictive way of boxing uses a book and the ref enforces the book, including even the part of the glove that hits on a punch...but not in professional prize fighting where fighters routinely grapple, lead with the head and hands, etc.

by the way want me to show you a tape of Corbet showing Tunney how to grab a hand inside while punching? Its part of the skill set of inside fighting.

[daggum]

2 things...the refs aren't about to suddenly start enforcing rules that strictly, and ward didn't really bring monetary value to the sport. Hbo and his promoters desperately tried to make it so, but it never came to fruition.

well it depends who the a-side is. remember akwindade vs lennox lewis? the ref enforced the rules in that fight but yet ward is free to do the same thing. why do you think he never traveled? why do you think he demanded all the super six fights at home? thats the whole problem with boxing. its not an even playing field and you could at least acknowledge it. we as fans should at least say wow ward was a protected fighter but no some people are too emotionally attached.

they tried their hardest to make ward into a star. they really did. giving him all the super six fights at home, giving him huge money for crap fights. yes his popularity never caught on here in the states but he was still more popular than everyone he ever fought and he used that a-side advantage and squeezed every drop out of him

[billeau2]

yes cheating is part of the game. it shouldn't be. we shouldn't enable cheaters who can't box at the top level to create careers simply because of the monetary value they bring to the sport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMdot7QW9Mo

Watch how Corbett is mentoring Tunney. I know this is old style but it proves a good point if you are open to it. At a certain point Corbett is demonstrating that when fighting inside, how to properly grab the other guys hand while pushing him forward, to deliver your punches. NO ref in any era would call this cheating in a professional prize fight, its part of the sport. Conversely virtually any ammy ref, Olympic or otherwise would call this a dirty tactic.

[daggum]

So tell me something? how is it possible for a fighter to go inside and not push at some point? And lets say as a strategy I want to go forward and lead with my hands and my face, something fighters do, and the other guy does the same thing? Heads clash don't they? So I guess derp we should all fight like ammys with big wide stances and using two punches and avoid pushing the other guy, and never put weight on the front because heads could clash...And I guess if fighter a is getting pounded he should not clinch, because that is grabbing.

Your just mislead. You don't seem to understand that in professional prize fighting THE REF determines the conduct, not THE BOOK. Tell me the last time a ref went into the fighter's dressing room and brought a book of the rules with him and told the fighters "no pushing, no wrestling" NO the ref says "I will consider blows below here low and break and obey MY COMMANDS AT ALL TIMES.

Sorry D, you just have to take the L on this one... The Ammy's a very restrictive way of boxing uses a book and the ref enforces the book, including even the part of the glove that hits on a punch...but not in professional prize fighting where fighters routinely grapple, lead with the head and hands, etc.

by the way want me to show you a tape of Corbet showing Tunney how to grab a hand inside while punching? Its part of the skill set of inside fighting.

your arguments make no sense at all. so if the ref says kicks are allowed they are. the ref does not determine the rules or conduct. thats like saying a police officer makes the laws. he does not. he enforces them just like the ref enforces the rules. when the ref selectively lets certain rules be broken he is inherently favoring one fighter. that fighter is almost always the a-side fighter. thats all im saying. thats what ward did. he took advantage of boxing politically by using his a-side advantage to get away with cheating. thats why he never traveled. thats why he refused to join the super six unless all his fights were at home.

you are pretending like ward was driving 70 in a 65 lane. oh thats just a nitpick stop nitpicking! no ward was running over pedestrians and the cop/ref was sitting there twiddling his thumbs but according to you its up to his discretion so dont complain! what ward did was constant cheating. its what his style was almost entirely based on. wrestling is not legal, holding and hitting is not legal, low blows, headbutts, bending below the waist, all these things were constantly done. this was a strategy not a nitpick

[MONGOOSE66]

yeah i agree. rules are ******. ward is an anarchist. i'm down with that.

Maybe u should Be on a badminton site. Last I checked Wards never been disqualified for anything.
I will give you my two cents about low blows. REGARDLESS wether it was an accident or on purpose. A REAL fighter evens the field. Anyone whose been hit KNOWS who has an advantage after. If u don’t. Your ****** and deserve to loose.
Boxing isn’t football, soccer, hockey or basketball. It’s a fckn FIGHT.

[champion4ever]

It's not like he's moving to cw to face some murderous puncher.

Usyk is not a big hitter.

I wonder are we are talking about the same fighter here? The reason I ask is because the Oleksandr Usyk I know has a 75 percent knockout ratio and those are against other Cruiserweights and men his own size or little larger.

Andre Ward fighting Oleksandr Usyk is the equivalent of Abner Mares fighting Jermall Charlo or Gennady Golovkin. It's like a featherweight challenging a Middleweight.

It just doesn't make sense. Andre Ward will be well out of his league in this one. Remember that Dre is a natural Super middleweight. While on the other hand, Usyk is a natural Cruiserweight; Who started his professional career at 200 lbs. That's more than a 32 pound weight discrepancy.

This fight will be a mismatch. Ward would be giving up too much weight, size and power to the 6'3 Usyk; Who is not only a good boxer but is also a huge puncher as well.

[MONGOOSE66]

i'm talking about ward. stop with your pathetic straw mans trying to talk about other people i said nothing about. i have never seen ward beat what i consider a top level opponent without constantly fouling and cheating. why do you think his style was so different when he fought kovalev and kessler as opposed to when he foguht paul smith or alexander brand? he couldnt box at the top level. he wanted and needed that safety net of fouling and grabbing constantly. thats why hes not a great fighter. a great creation sure but boxer no

Wards a PHYSICAL fighter. He’s not the first guy to use this style. Try a pamperin. It might help your cramps.
Only man who can beat Ward is a man with BALLS.
Just rare nowadays. He’s far from unbeatable. Holyfield would of ****d him.

[Real King Kong]

well it depends who the a-side is. remember akwindade vs lennox lewis? the ref enforced the rules in that fight but yet ward is free to do the same thing. why do you think he never traveled? why do you think he demanded all the super six fights at home? thats the whole problem with boxing. its not an even playing field and you could at least acknowledge it. we as fans should at least say wow ward was a protected fighter but no some people are too emotionally attached.

they tried their hardest to make ward into a star. they really did. giving him all the super six fights at home, giving him huge money for crap fights. yes his popularity never caught on here in the states but he was still more popular than everyone he ever fought and he used that a-side advantage and squeezed every drop out of him

Akinwande was blatantly holding to avoid fighting...ward isn't that bad. He fouls just enough that it isn't so blatant, and he mixes it up too. If he was continuously doing the same thing, he might get more warnings. He also intentionally makes it an ugly dog fight at times, where it's harder for the ref to spot specific fouls and who's responsible.

[MusoMeanderings]

Usyk won't fight Ward. He wants to go up in weight, not fight smaller men.

[champion4ever]

Wards a PHYSICAL fighter. He’s not the first guy to use this style. Try a pamperin. It might help your cramps.
Only man who can beat Ward is a man with BALLS.
Just rare nowadays. He’s far from unbeatable. Holyfield would of ****d him.

That guy is so obsessed with Andre Ward's dubious tactics, that he never makes any mention of Wladimir Klitschko's cheating; With his excessive holding and clinching. Nor does ever mentions Ricky Hatton's dubious tactics of holding and hitting or either Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero dirty and illegal roughhousing tactics. He only singles out Andre Ward's.