Usyk's management contacted by Andre Ward.

[daggum]

Hey man, it's part of the game. What I should have said is, he has the skill set to avoid the big shots...however he accomplishes it. I'm not his biggest fan by a stretch, but I'm just looking at the matchup realistically.

yes cheating is part of the game. it shouldn't be. we shouldn't enable cheaters who can't box at the top level to create careers simply because of the monetary value they bring to the sport.

[FaustoGeraci]

3 great posts, well 4 now

how are they ****** posts though? ward is a cheater who breaks the rules and fouls in order to win. thats not really in dispute. the thing that is in dispute is why people pretend it doesn't happen or don't care. this isn't really about ward at all. its about how far will people really go when they think they have some sort of emotional stake in someone elses life. how much will they ignore. how much will they compromise their own beliefs. how much will they contradict themselves. hint: the answer is a lot

The guy was right, your posts are garbage concerning Ward. A ton of ATGs bent rules, Hopkins, Trinidad, Lamotta, Hagler, a million more. Stop whining like a girl.

[FaustoGeraci]

yes cheating is part of the game. it shouldn't be. we shouldn't enable cheaters who can't box at the top level to create careers simply because of the monetary value they bring to the sport.

So Ward, Trinidad, Hopkins, Hagler etc couldn't box at the top level? Log out man. Please.

[TheCell8]

There's no way he gets the winner of Chisora/Whyte. That'll go to Anthony Joshua in April.

Ward vs. Usyk would be interesting for April/May. If not, they should look to finish off the remains of Povetkin on a Joshua undercard.

[daggum]

Thats all well and good but I was referring to Ward fighting up, taking the Kovalev fight instead of the triple G fight which most agree would have been an easy night of work for him. Unlike Floyd Ward has challenged himself consistently. Like I mentioned in my other post, fighters will tend to do what they can in a match until the ref says differently. Maybe what you consider cheating was not? I mean you are hardly an expert, you might be one of those Euro purists who believe that there should be no body game, no inside fighting in the sport... Everyone should square up and be like rockem sockem robots right?

oh yeah its really up to debate what a low blow, headbutt, what wrestling is, what holding and hitting is. I DONT KNOW DERPPPP you can play blind and dumb but i have the video evidence to show you he's cheating. you are too far gone into fanboy land to even believe it. inside fighting you keep saying. holding and hitting and wrestling is not inside fighting. inside fighting is corrales-castillo. not clamping your opponents arm and pushing him around the ring while hitting him. know the difference before coming up with a weak defense of a blatant chat. what d you get out of defending the cheater? i dont get it. he cheated and made a ton of money. cool. i would do the same. but i wouldnt expect crazy people to defend my cheating

[billeau2]

why do you think i dont like him though? because hes a cheater! derp the two go together!

I suppose i have to read the rules of boxing to you

You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.


You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.

you are going to dispute that ward doens't do that? ok well let me enter into evidence just one video. there is a ton more but this is just a sample. you can cross reference the rules to what is happening in the video and tell me its "inside fighting" which means f-ukk all and is a catch all excuse to explain away cheating whne you have an emotional attachment to someone.

also your point about other fighters being dirty therefore its ok makes no sense. i can murder someone because oj did it? no.

Yes and according to the rules of learning something... there is no possible way for a human being to "learn" language. Nobody references a "book" for rules. The first thing the ref tells a fighter is "protect yourself at all times." Routinely it is expected that a fighter grab vis a vis clinch when it is necessary. Its just not used. its more of an amateur guide, not something that professionals use in fights. The proof is how fighters clinch, tie up an opponent. Use the elbows to redirect, etc.

The final arbitrator of a wrong doing is the ref, not the rule book. When was the last time a ref quoted the rule book? A fighter is penalized when a ref determines so, Fighters push and wrestle the other guy all the time.

Your moral argument for equivalency is null and void here because my argument is not that hey all the fighters cheat, my argument is that the rule book is not the arbitrator in professional prize fighting, the referee is. This is because only when the behavior is excessive is it worthy of being penalized in a professional prize fight.

[daggum]

The guy was right, your posts are garbage concerning Ward. A ton of ATGs bent rules, Hopkins, Trinidad, Lamotta, Hagler, a million more. Stop whining like a girl.

why do you keep bringing up other people? why are you not addressing wards blatant cheating? some other people did it once upon a time therefore it should be allowed and not criticized is a sh-it argument.

[Mammoth]

When Ward fought Kovalev he was smart, took some fights to get the rust off and get acclimated to a new division. I would assume he would do the same to fight at cruiser and I don't see Usyk waiting for him.

[Real King Kong]

yes cheating is part of the game. it shouldn't be. we shouldn't enable cheaters who can't box at the top level to create careers simply because of the monetary value they bring to the sport.

2 things...the refs aren't about to suddenly start enforcing rules that strictly, and ward didn't really bring monetary value to the sport. Hbo and his promoters desperately tried to make it so, but it never came to fruition.

[daggum]

So Ward, Trinidad, Hopkins, Hagler etc couldn't box at the top level? Log out man. Please.

i'm talking about ward. stop with your pathetic straw mans trying to talk about other people i said nothing about. i have never seen ward beat what i consider a top level opponent without constantly fouling and cheating. why do you think his style was so different when he fought kovalev and kessler as opposed to when he foguht paul smith or alexander brand? he couldnt box at the top level. he wanted and needed that safety net of fouling and grabbing constantly. thats why hes not a great fighter. a great creation sure but boxer no