Usyk is bodybagged by any top 5 hw

[FaustoGeraci]

They can't box off the backfoot set traps, counter like Bellew, they're noway near as skilled or as experienced and Usyk isn't going to pressure like he did last night and even if he did they can't put up with that, they'll be gassed in 6.

They have no jabs - apart from like two of them.
They're 4 round fighters with zero footwork. Usyk will pick them all off just like he did Gassiev.
Open your eyes they're a bunch of big slobs. You honestly think Dillian Whyte and them lot can box? They're just static, two fat guys stood swinging for 3 rounds until they're gassed followed by 9 of clinching. Fury and Wilder are the only two in shape.

Usyk can throw 100 punches a round for 15 rounds without breaking a sweat. He's a machine.
You can call him a CW he's in truth an in shape HW that is what he is.

He doesn't need to get bigger or to develop more power. They don't have the feet, the skill, the stamina or anything.
The HW division is **** the only thing they have going for them is size.

We haven't seen eye to eye in the past but you're absolutely right. Fury in shape is the only serious threat to Usyk. Wilder could always land a bomb but Usyk would make him look like an absolute amateur. Stiff, robotic, chinny Joshua with no cardio would absolutely get demolished by Usyk. It would be ugly. I doubt Hearn puts Usyk in with Joshua.

[Robbie Barrett]

Shot Haye was beating Bellew comfortably in the first fight before his ankle snapped.

[Damn Wicked]

Shot Haye was beating Bellew comfortably in the first fight before his ankle snapped.

Not at all. You must have forgot that fight.

I was shocked how thoroughly and dominantly Belew took the first round. Haye was missing almost everything he threw. It looked like he was trying to KO Belew with every shot. Unfortunately for Haye, he missed almost every punch he threw. It was clear who the better boxer was that night. I felt bad for Haye that night and during the rematch. Belew made him look worse than Haye has ever looked. Some of that was because of age and some of it was of injuries...but some of it was because Belew has good skills.

[Robbie Barrett]

Not at all. You must have forgot that fight.

I was shocked how thoroughly and dominantly Belew took the first round. Haye was missing almost everything he threw. It looked like he was trying to KO Belew with every shot. Unfortunately for Haye, he missed almost every punch he threw. It was clear who the better boxer was that night. I felt bad for Haye that night and during the rematch. Belew made him look worse than Haye has ever looked. Some of that was because of age and some of it was of injuries...but some of it was because Belew has good skills.

You're rewriting history. Yes Haye was missing but he was winning every damn round up until his tendon went. Prime Haye would have destroyed this Bellew, Prime Haye would have KO'd Usyk.

[dan_cov]

Prime Haye who could barely get by a near 40yr old Mormeck? and was struggling badly with the likes of Fragomeni?

A prime Hayes second best win is like Enzo Maccarinelli ffs
Still people talk like he's up there with Holyfield lol

[Damn Wicked]

You're rewriting history. Yes Haye was missing but he was winning every damn round up until his tendon went. Prime Haye would have destroyed this Bellew, Prime Haye would have KO'd Usyk.

You should watch that fight again. You musta forgot.

[dan_cov]

He got put on his ass by Lolenga Mock and was brutalised by a 40 odd yr old heavily past prime Carl Thompson.
He struggled everytime he even stepped up to Euro level.

Frankly he never was this great CW. His only decent win is a past prime Mormeck who was never the same after the fight with O' Neil Bell.

Usyk beat 3 CWs alone this year that are better than prime Haye.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Steroids didn’t give him a world class chin or the next level skills to outbox guys 3-4 inches taller and 20+ lbs heavier.

Steroids do improve the speed at which you recover from damage. So yes, steroids did help Holyfield with his durability and punch resistance.

Usyk has also shown the skills to outbox taller and heavier guys too. In fact, he's shown he matches up better against them, than he does against smaller and more athletic opponents.

Bellew has lt heavy power and rocked the undisputed cruiser champ. If any of the usual suspects AJ, Wilder, Fury, Whyte etc were the ones hitting Usyk he’s likely eating out of a straw for 2 weeks or possibly retired with a head injury.

The man is so below next level to compete at hw its laughable. Holy was the exception and right now I wouldn’t even put Usyk on a prime Haye level.

Find me one instance when Usyk was 'rocked' by Bellew. He pretty much walked through Bellew's punches and took him out. Didn't show much respect to Bellew's power in the end. I don't remember him being 'rocked'. So if you can find that moment, it'd be very helpful.

Fury couldn't even KO Pianeta. You know, the same guy who was stopped already by Wladimir Klitschko and then by Ruslan Chagaev in round 1 (the same Chagaev who is also a southpaw but is astronomically inferior in skills than Usyk)? But somehow Fury body bags Usyk? Are you forgetting that Fury was already out-boxed and schooled by a British domestic level heavyweight in Neil McDermott who got robbed against Fury but is far inferior to Usyk? Or Fury that got dropped by a feather fisted Cunningham and was getting schooled in the process, until Fury had to resort to illegal tactics to get a KO? Remember, it's Fury that has been exposed and not Usyk when it comes to durability and boxing skills.

Anthony Joshua couldn't even drop Joseph Parker or barely land any punches on him. But he's going to body bag Usyk? You know, the same Parker who lost to Andy Ruiz Jr before? Usyk is SIGNIFICANTLY more skilled than Parker. Offensively and defensively. Joshua isn't doing to Usyk what he could not already do to an inferior Parker.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas. You know, the french pastry chef who was dropped by a blown up cruiser weight inside mid fight. Wilder couldn't even drop this Duhaupas after landing nearly 1000 punches for 11 rounds. But somehow he is going to body bag Usyk?

Even Szpilka went 10 rounds against Wilder who is far inferior to Usyk. If Wilder needs 10 rounds to figure out a total scrub like Szpilka, how many rounds do you think he'll need to figure out a far superior technician in Usyk? Wilder would need more than double the rounds. Say 20 rounds or more. Unfortunately by then, Wilder would have already lost a 12 round unanimous decision since he'll be waiting for the right hand the entire time, without finding the opening to land it perfectly.

Let's not even get started on Dillian Whyte. Who couldn't even KO Robert Helenius, the same Helenius who fought in 10 days short notice against Whyte. Whilst Helenius with proper preparation and full training camp, got knocked out cold and blasted out of the ring by Johann Duhaupas (French pastry chef). That should tell you how overrated Whyte's power and offensive skills are.

Anybody else you wanna mention that you want me to debunk?

Lol at prime Haye. If Usyk is supposed to be inferior to prime Haye, then why doesn't he have a loss in his cruiser weight career so far the way Haye lost to Carl Thompson? Why did Haye lose to Carl Thompson at cruiser weight, but Usyk has never lost to anybody at cruiser weight in his pro career so far (including to far superior opponents than Carl Thompson)?

If Haye is supposed to be superior to Usyk, then why has Usyk become the undisputed champion who cleared up the division whilst Haye only unified the division whilst avoiding many other cruiser weights like Tomasz adamek without clearing up?

If Haye is supposed to be superior to Usyk, then why did Haye get dropped by a scrub named Jean Marc Mormeck (a relatively light hitter) whilst Usyk has never been dropped by anybody in his pro cruiser weight career, despite facing far more powerful punchers?

You see, the math doesn't quite add up here! Outside of punching power, Haye has ABSOLUTELY nothing on Usyk. And Usyk's chin and conditioning makes up for his slightly inferior power compared to Haye. Who had horrible stamina and punch resistance, even in his prime.

I can keep going on and on but you get the point! Usyk > Haye and it's not even close!

[Scopedog]

I think he needs to pick his fights carefully. He's a very good boxer but I don't know how much that is going to be worth against those 6'5+ super heavies. That said, he's basically cleared out CW now so he's not got much choice. If I were him I'd be picking out someone big but limited to get used to fighting big guys before going after the likes of Joshua, Fury or Wilder. I wonder if Usyk can convince Hearn to wheel out David Price for another whipping, for instance.

[Robbie Barrett]

Steroids do improve the speed at which you recover from damage. So yes, steroids did help Holyfield with his durability and punch resistance.

Usyk has also shown the skills to outbox taller and heavier guys too. In fact, he's shown he matches up better against them, than he does against smaller and more athletic opponents.




Find me one instance when Usyk was 'rocked' by Bellew. He pretty much walked through Bellew's punches and took him out. Didn't show much respect to Bellew's power in the end. I don't remember him being 'rocked'. So if you can find that moment, it'd be very helpful.

Fury couldn't even KO Pianeta. You know, the same guy who was stopped already by Wladimir Klitschko and then by Ruslan Chagaev in round 1 (the same Chagaev who is also a southpaw but is astronomically inferior in skills than Usyk)? But somehow Fury body bags Usyk? Are you forgetting that Fury was already out-boxed and schooled by a British domestic level heavyweight in Neil McDermott who got robbed against Fury but is far inferior to Usyk? Or Fury that got dropped by a feather fisted Cunningham and was getting schooled in the process, until Fury had to resort to illegal tactics to get a KO? Remember, it's Fury that has been exposed and not Usyk when it comes to durability and boxing skills.

Anthony Joshua couldn't even drop Joseph Parker or barely land any punches on him. But he's going to body bag Usyk? You know, the same Parker who lost to Andy Ruiz Jr before? Usyk is SIGNIFICANTLY more skilled than Parker. Offensively and defensively. Joshua isn't doing to Usyk what he could not already do to an inferior Parker.

Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Johann Duhaupas. You know, the french pastry chef who was dropped by a blown up cruiser weight inside mid fight. Wilder couldn't even drop this Duhaupas after landing nearly 1000 punches for 11 rounds. But somehow he is going to body bag Usyk?

Even Szpilka went 10 rounds against Wilder who is far inferior to Usyk. If Wilder needs 10 rounds to figure out a total scrub like Szpilka, how many rounds do you think he'll need to figure out a far superior technician in Usyk? Wilder would need more than double the rounds. Say 20 rounds or more. Unfortunately by then, Wilder would have already lost a 12 round unanimous decision since he'll be waiting for the right hand the entire time, without finding the opening to land it perfectly.

Let's not even get started on Dillian Whyte. Who couldn't even KO Robert Helenius, the same Helenius who fought in 10 days short notice against Whyte. Whilst Helenius with proper preparation and full training camp, got knocked out cold and blasted out of the ring by Johann Duhaupas (French pastry chef). That should tell you how overrated Whyte's power and offensive skills are.

Anybody else you wanna mention that you want me to debunk?

Lol at prime Haye. If Usyk is supposed to be inferior to prime Haye, then why doesn't he have a loss in his cruiser weight career so far the way Haye lost to Carl Thompson? Why did Haye lose to Carl Thompson, but Usyk never lost to far superior opposition?

If Haye is supposed to be superior to Usyk, then why has Usyk become the undisputed champion who cleared up the division whilst Haye only unified the division whilst avoiding many other cruiser weights like Tomasz adamek without clearing up?

If Haye is supposed to be superior to Usyk, then why did Haye get dropped by a scrub named Jean Marc Mormeck (a relatively light hitter) whilst Usyk has never been dropped by anybody in his pro cruiser weight career, despite facing far more powerful punchers?

You see, the math doesn't quite add up here! Outside of punching power, Haye has ABSOLUTELY nothing on Usyk. And Usyk's chin and conditioning makes up for his slightly inferior power compared to Haye. Who had horrible stamina and punch resistance, even in his prime.

I can keep going on and on but you get the point! Usyk > Haye and it's not even close!

@ posters like this that write a lot but what they say is just terrible bollocks. Haye lost early in his career so that means Usyk is better? **** like this is just pathetic. Plenty of fighters including ATG's lost early in their career or struggled against poor competition. Using reasoning like this doesn't make you look knowledgable it makes you look like a new fan.

Haye improved a lot in a short amount of time, Usyk was massively more experienced when he started his career. Haye had better movement, faster, more power, better counter puncher. Bellew wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds against prime Haye.