Comments Thread For: Danny Garcia Disputes Bob Arum's Assertion He's Not Elite

[Boxing Logic]

Danny is not elite. People saying he is because he did okay vs Porter and Thurman, well Thurman almost got KO'd by past prime Collazo, had a war with Diego Chaves, got badly hurt by Soto Karass, got dogged by past prime Robert Guerrero late in that fight, and his power has not carried to the elite of the division. Porter got schooled badly by Kell Brook, struggled with past prime Berto and Adrian Grenados, and drew vs past prime Julio Diaz, who Amir Khan beat easily other than getting dropped like he always does. Porter is big, strong, pretty fast, and has incredible punch resistance, but his power has not carried even to the Berto level of the division... meaning prime Victor Ortiz and Maidana all hit way harder than Porter does... and he gasses late in fights even though he has the heart to work through it. He works through it, but his punches lose their steam due to the fatigue, muting his power even more.

None of these guys are elite. Danny Garcia was on his way to being shut out (meaning OUTBOXED) by Lucas Matthysse before Matthysse's eye got busted NOT by a punch, but by a freak accident in the clinch. Danny lucked into his entire "elite" facade when that orbital bone broke. Even still, Matthysse beat him up badly with one bad even though he wasn't brave enough with that pain to throw enough punches to win the fight, and Herrera outboxed and beat up DSG too.

So, none of them are elite but Crawford and Spence. Crawford vs Thurman would be a good fight because of styles, but I don't think Thurman is on his level either. Crawford and Spence are A-level, Thurman is B+, and Porter and DSG are right behind him as a low B+ or a very high B.

[truefan]

Bud is good but needs to prove it at 147

Danny is speaking all facts here. Even though I think that Crawford can beat him. Crawford and Danny get hit way too much. Bud has not fought a top guy yet but that is more about Arum then Bud wanting these fights. I think he needs to tell Bob which fights to make. I think that is when the problems start, which is why Mikey garcia, Oscar, Floyd, and many others leave Top Rank.

[factsarenice]

Haha, well I don't know if it's a fact but at the moment, I feel like the "easiest" title shot to get for a Top 147lbs (who doesn't have a belt) is against Bud. I might be wrong but Bob seems intent to get Bud's some quality names going forward. A guy like Garcia who, at the moment is on the outside looking in on the Thurman-Porter-Spence situation, should be,imo, looking to make a fight with Bud.

Bob is the consummate promoter, he knows a high profile match with Danny leads to massive dividends in the future. Arum would unquestionably pay for a catalyst fight because he needs one but it takes two to tango. Danny turned down $4 million to fight Manny which means he's unlikely to fight Crawford for anything less. Danny is first and foremost a smart businessman, he sees Crawford as a corporate raider.

[PapaBricks]

What else is Danny supposed to say? lol

He knows Crawford or Spence would break his face so he wants them to cancel each other out.
After watching what Lamont Peterson did to Danny.
Crawford would box his ears off and possibly KO Danny.
He need to keep quiet.

[Devils Advocate]

Khan was somebody. Garcia was brought in as the B-Side and was the underdog there.

Matthysse was somebody. I don’t know who the odds favorite was here, but certainly this was a big time highly anticipated matchup at the time and was ver competitive.

Peterson was somebody. I thought Garcia lost here, but Peterson was a good name and at the time Garcia fight him I’d rank him higher than anyone Crawford fought up to this point. And while I am high on Crawford (flew to Omaha and went to his last fight), I can’t argue with Garcia’s logic. The eye test, even titles, can only give you so much credibility. Resume is the true indicator, and Garcia has an elite resume.

Excellent point. Garcia’s has a great resume. Sure there’s a few disputable wins and yeah he has 3 loses but what great fighter doesn’t opposite of Mayweather...If we continue to acknowledge elite as having a ‘0’ then we won’t ever have great fights until they’re way past their expectation date. Just look at Keith Thurman. Keith would have gladly fought Spence for 10 Million dollars 3 years ago but declined because everyone is afraid of going to back of the bus collecting 500K paydays. Keith is now probably past his prime.

[Manic Shot]

Danny's very careful of what he said about Bud, he wants no part of him.

[MEXfistology]

Terrence crawford has fought nobodies troughout his career , hes not p4p 1 , sadly both danny garcia and shawn porter have a better resume than he does

[MEXfistology]

Danny is not elite. People saying he is because he did okay vs Porter and Thurman, well Thurman almost got KO'd by past prime Collazo, had a war with Diego Chaves, got badly hurt by Soto Karass, got dogged by past prime Robert Guerrero late in that fight, and his power has not carried to the elite of the division. Porter got schooled badly by Kell Brook, struggled with past prime Berto and Adrian Grenados, and drew vs past prime Julio Diaz, who Amir Khan beat easily other than getting dropped like he always does. Porter is big, strong, pretty fast, and has incredible punch resistance, but his power has not carried even to the Berto level of the division... meaning prime Victor Ortiz and Maidana all hit way harder than Porter does... and he gasses late in fights even though he has the heart to work through it. He works through it, but his punches lose their steam due to the fatigue, muting his power even more.

None of these guys are elite. Danny Garcia was on his way to being shut out (meaning OUTBOXED) by Lucas Matthysse before Matthysse's eye got busted NOT by a punch, but by a freak accident in the clinch. Danny lucked into his entire "elite" facade when that orbital bone broke. Even still, Matthysse beat him up badly with one bad even though he wasn't brave enough with that pain to throw enough punches to win the fight, and Herrera outboxed and beat up DSG too.

So, none of them are elite but Crawford and Spence. Crawford vs Thurman would be a good fight because of styles, but I don't think Thurman is on his level either. Crawford and Spence are A-level, Thurman is B+, and Porter and DSG are right behind him as a low B+ or a very high B.

Crawford is A level? Lmfao . who has he beaten to be A level?? His biggest wins are jeff horn , victor postol and jose benavidez rofl ..and you say matthysse was gonna outbox danny garcia , idk how much ******er you can be..everyone knew matthysse only had the punchers chance , everyone knew danny was the better all around boxer . And youre nit picking that thurman got rocked by collazo and soto karass?? Lmao dumb casual , this is about getting the w , thats the only thing that matters , just stop watching boxing period , youre embarassing yourself

[factsarenice]

Danny is speaking all facts here. Even though I think that Crawford can beat him. Crawford and Danny get hit way too much. Bud has not fought a top guy yet but that is more about Arum then Bud wanting these fights. I think he needs to tell Bob which fights to make. I think that is when the problems start, which is why Mikey garcia, Oscar, Floyd, and many others leave Top Rank.

Not exactly....nobody left Arum because he couldn't get the fights his fighters wanted. Oscar and Floyd left Arum for money, both gifted self promoters and neither wanted to split with a promoter. As a mater of fact Both went on to become fighter promoters and signed deals with networks. Mikey is a little different, he's not nearly the self promoter but he's smart, a tough negotiator and didn't want the split that Arum offered. In short, in each and every instance mentioned the fighters left for money and not because they couldn't get whatever fight they were after.

Guys like Bud and Spence need a promoter, PBC or not, they need a promoter to build a name that's known because neither have the promo chops of Oscar, Floyd or the family management of Garcia.

[JLC]

Beating any or all three of those fighters does not make you elite. I guess there is this grey area between second tier/B-rate and elite, that a lot of very good fighters fall into for one reason or another. Whether it's timing, poor management, ducking, or just falling short on skill/ability versus the elite. For some reason Danny is just a hair shy of being an elite fighter.

That said, there are several interesting fights for Garcia that would still be lucrative--Brook, Broner, Mikey, Vargas, Horn, Berto. He had a chance to fight Pac a few years ago but turned down a career high $4M offer. He doesn't appear to be in any hurry to fight Spence or Crawford either. I don't think he ever mentioned Mayweather.

I got no problems with anyone who thinks Garcia is NOT elite, or thinks he is a hair shy of being elite, but to that I say...

If beating any or all three of those fighters does not make him elite, then one would be hard pressed to call Errol or Terrance elite fighters, because their resumes just do not stack up to Danny's. For me, it takes more than looking elite against ordinary fighters to actually get the mantle of elite, and be considered "better" than fighters who have been through the fire and made it through with victories.

Also, curious to know if you feel that Danny is no longer elite, or if he was simply never elite to begin with.