Comments Thread For: Wilder Coach: Joshua Said He'd Fight For 50M, Then Didn't Fight!

[Kris Silver]

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-h...ght-uk--128489

While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.

Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.

If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.

"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.

"If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first."

Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium.

He doesn't like the idea of having his biggest fight before a watered down crowd of British fans.

"AJ asked me how many British fans could get tickets if the fight was in America and could get over and I said about 6,000 and that's after we have done 250,000 in three fights and it doesn't seem right," Hearn said.

"He's keen to do the fight in the U.K. and from Rob's point of view it's an advantage. If it's in September it gives us the ability to go outside and we would have to consider Cardiff [the Principality Stadium], Wembley, the Olympic Stadium, Twickenham and Old Trafford. AJ wants it in London preferably."

In no way shape or form is anyone on Hearn or AJ's side there quoted as saying they've seen the proof of funds.

If you think it's inferred you're mad.

Not only did they not see any proof of funds or anything to back it up, they asked for 3 core questions to be answered, and a contract.

They got no response, only that they won't do that nor even meet up.

[uppercut510]

In no way shape or form is anyone on Hearn or AJ's side there quoted as saying they've seen the proof of funds.

If you think it's inferred you're mad.

Not only did they not see any proof of funds or anything to back it up, they asked for 3 core questions to be answered, and a contract.

They got no response, only that they won't do that nor even meet up.

In that article hearn is saying its legit, the bottom line is that they didn't want to entertain it because they were not willing to give up homefield advantage. Its been said thousands of times that they will take less money to fight in the UK.... If they weren't willing to budge on home field advantage then there would be no reason to meet on the $50mil. the article clearly says that hearn knew the money was legit but decided to take less to fight at home. Im not sure what the big deal is and why you guys cant just move on from it, no promoter or fighter is perfect and they all lie and contradict. Hearn is a promoter and hes doing whats best for his fighter in a long term business sense, so I understand... im just not sure why you all have a hard time just admitting the obvious. We all saw AJ ask for the money and say "lets roll" when it was offered, we also all saw him go silent and pop back up on instagram hanging upside down months later, which was due to his promoter.

[REDEEMER]

The below links pretty much sum up the 24 hours between the "$50 million offer" and the deadline.
No idea if Finkel sent any actual information other than rainbows and fairy dust after his ridiculous 24 hour deadline, but if he missed his own deadline then what was the point?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/anthony-joshua-vs-deontay-wilder-offer-50m-accept-fight-eddie-hearn-promoter-responds-a8322861.html

http://www.sportbible.com/boxing/news-boxing-hearn-responds-to-50-mill-offer-requests-four-terms-to-accept-deal-20180426

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anth...to-mega-fight/

Wilder fans on here just don't want to see the fight, that is clear. Had Finkel played ball with Hearns first offer and went from there at negotiations the fight would have happened, that's why finkel did accept terms of the 15 million later ij which he had an out and always would have . wilder was never going to sign the contract and wasted fans times by road blocking it with a phantom 50 million offer which involved BT sports.

[davefromvancouv]

Lolx.... No matter how you try to twist it, the fighter makes the belt and one man has 4 belts and invariably the lineal champ.

This wilder boys are imposing the title on Fury which he lost after almost 3 yrs of inactivity just to sell this fight, still the sales are on slow motion.

Feel free to call fury a champ cos the belts don't matter so you can feel good

Lolx... This is laughable to be honest

That's what happens when you have the balls get in the ring with the lineal champion and you actually beat him. You become the lineal champion yourself, and you remain so until somebody beats you. Or you officially retire and the consensus #1 and #2 fighters fight to replace you. Been happening in boxing for over 100 years...

Surprised you didn't know that Fury is the lineal champion...

Surprised you didn't know that he was stripped of the WBA/IBF/WBO titles, but never lost them in the ring...

The WBC title is the only title he hasn't won...

[N/A]

Any prove on that? The large part of the media claim Warren and BT sport was willing to provide the fund.

Nobody other than Hearn claimed that. Total nonsense. UK PPV doesnt generate enough to cover that kind of purse. The premium network advances the guarantees for major PPVs. The head of Showtime confirmed the money was real. I dont blame AJ for turning down the fight, but dont fool yourself. He turned it down because it was riskier than fighting Povetkin. Not because of any concern over whether the money was real.

[Laligalaliga]

I realize as a Wilder supporter it's easy to take this as me baiting for some sort of agenda I want to get across, but honestly I'm not leading into anything I just have this one curiosity.


How come when talking about the sanctioning bodies no one has anything positive to say unless we're comparing a fighter you are a fan of who has body belts with one you are not a fan of who has unofficial titles?

You of course being an example. I did not mean you specifically per se.


When talking about say, ranking, does anyone on here want to claim there is a good ranking ladder from any body? The most positive position I ever see is stuff like " The WBC is worse than the WBA though" Not good, just better than the other ****ty ranking systems.

Lyle wrote an article about how to make bodies better and I did give him some **** for it, but, I think youse should probably think more about that.

If you do not like their rankings, do not care for their politics, and do not enjoy their by-laws then why do you continue to uphold their titles above all else?

If Ring has the most impressive ranking shouldn't Ring also have the best titlist?

In a world where no one agrees with the bodies can we not agree with the tradition of Champion's Prerogative and Man who beat the Man?

Seems a matter of convenience to me.

Personally, just to be open, I like the bodies more than I like the eras without them. I do see the WBC WBA IBF and WBO has above the lineal. They literally replaced lineal. The WBC get its authority from Champion's Prerogative. The WBA get its authority from the WBC. The IBF from the WBC and WBA and the WBO required all three WBC WBA and IBF before they were legit.

So just to really be clear I am just interested in your perspective on the bodies I'll rank how I see the titlists.

Joshua is top of the heap. He might only have belts that derive their authority from Wilder's belt but he has literally all of them and if you respect the bodies you have to respect that.

Wilder next because he does really have the single most prestigious belt.

Fury last because while I do recognize lineal I feel like the old ways were replaced for good reason.

So, that said. I am puzzled why Joshua fans can be seen bad mouthing the bodies. It is their authority you draw on when you claim things like " But he has real belts"

It shouldn't be me, a Wilder fan, who keeps talking up the bodies. You guys shouldn't be kind to the bodies only when talking about their titles. Because when you do it just seems hypocritical at best. Propagandist if I'm blunt.

The folks who see Tyson as king and do not give a **** about bodies, ranks, testing, none of that, I may not agree with them, but I understand them and reckon them genuine.

Its cool you took your time to explain yourself and what you think about the whole situation.

In as much as I have some issues with the sanctioning bodies and their internal politics, #1, #2 and probably #3 are not difficult to separate in the HW division.

A champion of a body is a champion and holds the belt. When you possess 4/5 of the belts, that makes you automatically the king of the division. Even casuals don't need explanations to understand this.

The guy with 4 belts didn't hire the belts, he fought for each and every belt to unify them. Kudos to his courage and mentality for achieving such a feat in 21 fights. It's a level above a fighter that got lucky or won a fight and claim 4 belts. He fought for these belts in 3 bouts to unify them, meanwhile there was an existing champ before he won his first title.

No effort from the longest serving champ to unify until one man did all the hard work.

Another man can't work to unify and the other sit aside and think he can make demands.

Things don't work that way. The unified champ should enjoy the fruit of his labour in every ramifications.

[Laligalaliga]

That's what happens when you have the balls get in the ring with the lineal champion and you actually beat him. You become the lineal champion yourself, and you remain so until somebody beats you. Or you officially retire and the consensus #1 and #2 fighters fight to replace you. Been happening in boxing for over 100 years...

Surprised you didn't know that Fury is the lineal champion...

Surprised you didn't know that he was stripped of the WBA/IBF/WBO titles, but never lost them in the ring...

The WBC title is the only title he hasn't won...

You don't need to act surprise to gain sympathy. Being inactive for about 3yrs will not retain you the lineal champ. A title is meant to be defended which he didn't and officially retired from the sport.

You should be surprised you didn't know that.

WBO/IBF/WBA/IBO is now credibly occupied by another champ which happens to be the lineal champ to my opinion and remain so until otherwise.

So take your surprise package back to your camp because your BS is dead on arrival.

[Laligalaliga]

Nobody other than Hearn claimed that. Total nonsense. UK PPV doesnt generate enough to cover that kind of purse. The premium network advances the guarantees for major PPVs. The head of Showtime confirmed the money was real. I dont blame AJ for turning down the fight, but dont fool yourself. He turned it down because it was riskier than fighting Povetkin. Not because of any concern over whether the money was real.

And American ppv is killing the sport. Casuals can't even pay for it or go watch their fighters fight.

On fight night considering American population, they should be able to comfortably fill a 150k capacity stadium if there is anything like that but look at it, wilder can't even fill a 20k capacity in a country of about 350mil. And you come here to brag about purse and extortion.

[aboutfkntime]

So why didn't team wilder send their own contract over to indicate they have interest in making the fight?

Running away from meeting is the highest duck I have ever seen.

Contracts are not signed on twitter boy.

genius.....

why do YOU think Hearn " accidentally " (lol) forgot to include wording in the contract that guaranteed Joshua next?

how long have you been a fool ?

situations like this sure do bag-and-tag the ***wits

[aboutfkntime]

Intentionally omitted? Good to see you can read minds but I guess Wilder intentionally didn't bring it up until the fight was off the table. Also it's pretty evident that Hearn didn't have a date and venue to give as proven with the delay in the povetkin fight signing, he agreed the deal but not secured the venue.

Keep bringing up the 50 mil, Finkel would have had many meetings to arrange it but couldn't have one he booked in with Hearn to finalise it, not a good look for credibility and integrity, makes the appear to be hiding something. Also proceeding to arrange a fight with Warren without a date and venue, this wasn't planned at all?

Also forget that Wilder refused a payday build his fight with AJ by commentating but wouldn't do it incase Whyte turned up and he might not be able to get away from him by jumping in the ring. Or that he's not about the money but 50-50 or no fight.

are you saying that Hearn " accidentally " forgot to include wording in the contract that guaranteed Joshua next?

is..... that..... what..... you..... are..... saying ?????

I have heard of the walking dead, now we have the walking ******

I often wonder how so many gullible people get scammed

now I see