Comments Thread For: Wilder Coach: Joshua Said He'd Fight For 50M, Then Didn't Fight!

[Laligalaliga]

I don't think you get it...
After December 1st, the belts will mean nothing. Wilder-Fury is technically for the lineal/WBC/IBF/WBO/WBA championship since Fury was never beaten for those belts. The Wilder-Fury winner will have proven himself to be the true champion of the division. Any other fighter will be just a contender...

Feel free to call fury a champ cos the belts don't matter so you can feel good

[Jax teller]

1) the contract intentionally omitted a written guarantee that Joshua would fight Wilder NEXT

if you think that happened by accident, then you are a muppet

at that point, Team Wilder realized that Fast Eddie was full-of-shlt

why would you spend time with someone who is full-of-shlt ?



2) the 50mil ?

you know.....

..... the 50mil that Joshua demanded, and then refused lol



you are embarrassing yourself son, it is clearly obvious who wants that fight, and who does not..... AND YOU KNOW IT

Intentionally omitted? Good to see you can read minds but I guess Wilder intentionally didn't bring it up until the fight was off the table. Also it's pretty evident that Hearn didn't have a date and venue to give as proven with the delay in the povetkin fight signing, he agreed the deal but not secured the venue.

Keep bringing up the 50 mil, Finkel would have had many meetings to arrange it but couldn't have one he booked in with Hearn to finalise it, not a good look for credibility and integrity, makes the appear to be hiding something. Also proceeding to arrange a fight with Warren without a date and venue, this wasn't planned at all?

Also forget that Wilder refused a payday build his fight with AJ by commentating but wouldn't do it incase Whyte turned up and he might not be able to get away from him by jumping in the ring. Or that he's not about the money but 50-50 or no fight.

[Adamsc151]

hes also said the offer was real, ive posted the article here several times and its still flipped by the hearniacs

Maybe it was, but then with 24 hours notice how was anyone going to be able to find that out before the "deadline" had passed?

[Adamsc151]

Show me when has he straight out have said this.

Posters here assuming it wasn't real with their own little research.

I never had read that Hearn has said it, and he talks a lot or AJ saying it

The below links pretty much sum up the 24 hours between the "$50 million offer" and the deadline.
No idea if Finkel sent any actual information other than rainbows and fairy dust after his ridiculous 24 hour deadline, but if he missed his own deadline then what was the point?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8322861.html

http://www.sportbible.com/boxing/new...-deal-20180426

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anth...to-mega-fight/

[Fabes88]

The below links pretty much sum up the 24 hours between the "$50 million offer" and the deadline.
No idea if Finkel sent any actual information other than rainbows and fairy dust after his ridiculous 24 hour deadline, but if he missed his own deadline then what was the point?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8322861.html

http://www.sportbible.com/boxing/new...-deal-20180426

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anth...to-mega-fight/

They keep talking about the 50 million like part of the money wasn’t put in by bt sports and it meant that they couldn’t honour aj’s exclusive contract with sky

[Adamsc151]

Wilder owes Fury nothing. He doesn't need Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury needed him; That's why he asked Wilder for this fight because Deontay certainly didn't ask him for it and that's why it's happening because Wilder wanted it. If Deontay didn't want it then there would be no fight.

The reason why Deontay overlooked Fury as a potential opponent initially is because like most boxing experts and fans, he didn't believe that he was ready for a fight of this magnitude at the moment.

He felt, he needed to get himself back into fighting shape first and then get a few more tuneups under his belt. However, Tyson says he is. Therefore, the fight is a go.


Joshua on the other hand has no excuse. He's been active and fighting every overmatched bum underneath the sun since becoming champion who is not named Deontay Wilder.

The reason why there has been no Joshua vs Wilder fight is because AJ doesn't want it. He ain't ready for that work. He is afraid of getting his ass whooped.

Come on now you don't seriously believe that? Wilder needs Fury's name on his record almost as much as Fury needs his quick cash from Wilder.
And Joshua fighting over-matched bums? If that's the case then what's Wilder's excuse? AJ has fought 4 of the current top 10 plus Wlad, thats 3 genuine current or former world champs - I won't count Martin. Wilder only has Stiverne - who's even less creditable than Martin - and Ortiz, who has not fought anyone else of worth himself (aside from maybe Jennings - jury's out on him). And Wilder has had nearly twice as many fights as AJ in which to build the poorer record.
If Wilder's so confident, then why did he not take 2 offers of over a 500% increase on his biggest ever payday to fight at Wembley? The long and short of it is that both fighters and their teams want home advantage for the unification. Also both sets of fans do not want to be the ones at a disadvantage due to the time difference.
I'm not discrediting Wilder's fight ending power, but he is paying the price for such a slow progression; whereas due to AJ's quick progression he is now by far the HW divisions top earner, and 2nd biggest current earner in the sport next to Canelo.

[Adamsc151]

They keep talking about the 50 million like part of the money wasn’t put in by bt sports and it meant that they couldn’t honour aj’s exclusive contract with sky

And why would BT Sport put up part of the cash? To make sure Joshua couldn't accept which left Wilder open to sign a fight contract with Fury - who offers him his 2nd biggest possible pay-day behind Joshua.
Why would Wilder fight his governing body's top 2 contenders in Whyte and Breazeale, when he can get more money for fighting someone he thinks is a shadow of the man he was 3 years ago?

[champion4ever]

Come on now you don't seriously believe that? Wilder needs Fury's name on his record almost as much as Fury needs his quick cash from Wilder.
And Joshua fighting over-matched bums? If that's the case then what's Wilder's excuse? AJ has fought 4 of the current top 10 plus Wlad, thats 3 genuine current or former world champs - I won't count Martin. Wilder only has Stiverne - who's even less creditable than Martin - and Ortiz, who has not fought anyone else of worth himself (aside from maybe Jennings - jury's out on him). And Wilder has had nearly twice as many fights as AJ in which to build the poorer record.
If Wilder's so confident, then why did he not take 2 offers of over a 500% increase on his biggest ever payday to fight at Wembley? The long and short of it is that both fighters and their teams want home advantage for the unification. Also both sets of fans do not want to be the ones at a disadvantage due to the time difference.
I'm not discrediting Wilder's fight ending power, but he is paying the price for such a slow progression; whereas due to AJ's quick progression he is now by far the HW divisions top earner, and 2nd biggest current earner in the sport next to Canelo.

The reason why Wilder isn't fighting AJ is because it's a fight that Joshua doesn't want. Moreover of those current top 10 fighters, why come Wilder is not named among them? It's because AJ is deliberately avoiding him. He don't won't that smoke from Deontay Wilder.

Lastly, I reiterate; "The Bronze Bomber" does not need Tyson Fury. He is only fighting him on the rebound, in order to give the fans a fight that they want to see; After AJ pulled out of their potential bout at the 11th hour.

The fight that he wants and has always wanted was Anthony Joshua because he would like to become the undisputed World heavyweight champion of the world someday but obviously Anthony Joshua does not.

Please don't get me started on the negotiations between Joshua and Wilder. Wilder offered him $80mil which he turned down. Then when Joshua sent him a counter offer; Wilder accepted it, along with all the terms and conditions that go with it and yet Joshua still refused the fight. Which makes him both liar and a coward.

[Adamsc151]

The reason why Wilder isn't fighting AJ is because it's a fight that Joshua doesn't want. Moreover of those current top 10 fighters, why come Wilder is not named among them? It's because AJ is deliberately avoiding him. He don't won't that smoke from Deontay Wilder.

Lastly, I reiterate; "The Bronze Bomber" does not need Tyson Fury. He is only fighting him on the rebound, in order to give the fans a fight that they want to see; After AJ pulled out of their potential bout at the 11th hour.

The fight that he wants and has always wanted was Anthony Joshua because he would like to become the undisputed World heavyweight champion of the world someday but obviously Anthony Joshua does not.

Please don't get me started on the negotiations between Joshua and Wilder. Wilder offered him $80mil which he turned down. Then when Joshua sent him a counter offer; Wilder accepted it, along with all the terms and conditions that go with it and yet Joshua still refused the fight. Which makes him both liar and a coward.

Where did $80 mil come from? The figure posted everywhere was $50 million; or is this one of those things that grows with time? By spring 2019 will the figure be over $100million?

By the way, that $50million offer was bankrolled by BT so even if Joshua's team had all the info within the ridiculous 24 hour deadline of the "offer" then it would have had to be refused. It would have been like one of Bob Arums top fighters shunning ESPN to fight on Showtime and resulted in a massive law-suit - only worse as Arum has nobody with AJ's earning power.

You are blinkered beyond belief, the real question you should be asking is why in 40 fights does Wilder only have 1 top 10 HW on his record? Not why Wilder is not on AJ's after only 22 fights when he's fought Klitschko, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Breazeale. Even Takam and Martin are better than anyone on Wilder's record so far other than Ortiz.

The negotiations you're talking about? Wilder may have said yes on social media, but his team never signed and returned the contract that was sent to them. That's the issue, Wilder's all about airing his dirty laundry in public and lacks professionalism. Plus, who the hell says that they "need a body on their record" when they are supposed to be a professional sportsman an role-model?

[Marchegiano]

Feel free to call fury a champ cos the belts don't matter so you can feel good

I realize as a Wilder supporter it's easy to take this as me baiting for some sort of agenda I want to get across, but honestly I'm not leading into anything I just have this one curiosity.


How come when talking about the sanctioning bodies no one has anything positive to say unless we're comparing a fighter you are a fan of who has body belts with one you are not a fan of who has unofficial titles?

You of course being an example. I did not mean you specifically per se.


When talking about say, ranking, does anyone on here want to claim there is a good ranking ladder from any body? The most positive position I ever see is stuff like " The WBC is worse than the WBA though" Not good, just better than the other ****ty ranking systems.

Lyle wrote an article about how to make bodies better and I did give him some **** for it, but, I think youse should probably think more about that.

If you do not like their rankings, do not care for their politics, and do not enjoy their by-laws then why do you continue to uphold their titles above all else?

If Ring has the most impressive ranking shouldn't Ring also have the best titlist?

In a world where no one agrees with the bodies can we not agree with the tradition of Champion's Prerogative and Man who beat the Man?

Seems a matter of convenience to me.

Personally, just to be open, I like the bodies more than I like the eras without them. I do see the WBC WBA IBF and WBO has above the lineal. They literally replaced lineal. The WBC get its authority from Champion's Prerogative. The WBA get its authority from the WBC. The IBF from the WBC and WBA and the WBO required all three WBC WBA and IBF before they were legit.

So just to really be clear I am just interested in your perspective on the bodies I'll rank how I see the titlists.

Joshua is top of the heap. He might only have belts that derive their authority from Wilder's belt but he has literally all of them and if you respect the bodies you have to respect that.

Wilder next because he does really have the single most prestigious belt.

Fury last because while I do recognize lineal I feel like the old ways were replaced for good reason.

So, that said. I am puzzled why Joshua fans can be seen bad mouthing the bodies. It is their authority you draw on when you claim things like " But he has real belts"

It shouldn't be me, a Wilder fan, who keeps talking up the bodies. You guys shouldn't be kind to the bodies only when talking about their titles. Because when you do it just seems hypocritical at best. Propagandist if I'm blunt.

The folks who see Tyson as king and do not give a **** about bodies, ranks, testing, none of that, I may not agree with them, but I understand them and reckon them genuine.