Prediction: This Floyd NYE fight will NOT be 100% boxing rules

[jaded]

I'll have to check out the other guy but i know Rufus IS a kickboxer. That dude is a big time name in kickboxing. He was kickboxing as a child. I remember reading about him in Black Belt magazine back in the day lol. He ain't no boxer. Well he boxed, but like with Holly Holm being a kickboxer first this cat was a kickboxer first too.

This is going to be a joke...I wouldn't pay 2 cents for it.

Sources have indicated to BoxingScene.com that Mayweather-Nasukawa will be a three-round boxing exhibition that won’t count on Mayweather’s perfect record (50-0, 27 KOs).

https://www.boxingscene.com/nasukawa-mcgregor-im-not-jackie-chan-ill-avenge-your-loss--133472

[baroidi]

My memory might be off, but one of those old Japanese fighting orgs (I think it was Pride) put on a fight between a kickboxer (cro cop) and an mma guy. They had 1 round pure kickboxing and the next round MMA. Basically cro cop won the kickboxing round and mma guy held him down in the mma round, I think it was a draw. Won't be surprised if they pulled this off again with this circus sideshow of a "match".

[jas]

No chance there will be kicking or any grappling/wrestling involved

Most likely will be a boxing match without any shoes and with heavier than usual MMA gloves. It would be all about the visuals.

[CodeBreaker]

If kicks are allowed, Floyd is doomed

[billeau2]

I think Floyd could be acting like he's acting for numerous reasons. First and foremost cuz sh^t talking isn't as fan friendly in Japan. Also Floyd is playing an away game for the first time in forever. And I think there is up for discussion terms with what kinda fight this will be & dogging this kid could paint him in a corner with accepting a less boxing friendly bout or make him look like a ***** for not accepting less favorable terms vs a kid who's young enough to be his son + is 20lbs lighter.

Im a boxing fan first & foremost, but I do follow MMA & Rizin specifically & these guys dont do no decision exhibition fights on the biggest fight holiday in Japan. It'd be like having Canelo doing a PPV where he just spars Ryan Garcia for fun or some sh^t. It wouldnt make no sense.

And this is a company with rumored money problems with a competitor making big moves. A exhibition sparring match isn't gonna cut it to get these guys back in the game. This fight won't happen if its 100% boxing cuz I dont believe these people are gonna give him 88M for 9 f#cking minutes of sparring a 0-0 guy whos 20lbs lighter.

Rizin would be better off making some more of those sumo guy MMA fights which they seem to have a lock on & save 88M.

They may disguise it... But money is money and it seems to me that what distinguishes this company is that they will not be pulled under the financial hardship tide so easily.

[billeau2]

I'll have to check out the other guy but i know Rufus IS a kickboxer. That dude is a big time name in kickboxing. He was kickboxing as a child. I remember reading about him in Black Belt magazine back in the day lol. He ain't no boxer. Well he boxed, but like with Holly Holm being a kickboxer first this cat was a kickboxer first too.

What is a kick boxer? See this is where it gets sketchy... Guys like Bill Superfoot Wallace, Joe Lewis (yet another "Joe lewis" lol) skipper mullins, Chuck Norris, Tom LaPuppet, the head of my karate line Riley Hawkins....were all Karate guys who fought in these tourneys. At that time in Okinawa for example, in tournaments they used a lot of Japanese conventions (Shotokan) and guys used a reverse punch, a front kick and a lunge punch, that was about it...well when they started to do tournements in the 60's they allowed open fighting among different styles...

Consequently more techniques were allowed...Eventually, wanting to really bash they developed.......kick boxing. A hybrid boxing and martial arts system for fighting full contact. I loved those guys as fighters...but to me? kick boxing was the worse thing that could have been done... Now enter years later, guys like Therault, Rufus, etc.... But if you read your history kick boxing was originally designed to let guys in karate fight full contact after the period of the 60's where open tourneys (including the famous Long Beach California tourney where Lee mde his debute)... were developed.

Theerault and Rufus were kick boxers,..how would they have done against professional boxers that are part of mainstream boxing? At the middle to upper echelon?

Now, I know kick boxing developed from that time and also, there is Thai Boxing, Bando, etc that are legit in my eyes. Totally different animal.

[Eff Pandas]

What is a kick boxer? See this is where it gets sketchy... Guys like Bill Superfoot Wallace, Joe Lewis (yet another "Joe lewis" lol) skipper mullins, Chuck Norris, Tom LaPuppet, the head of my karate line Riley Hawkins....were all Karate guys who fought in these tourneys. At that time in Okinawa for example, in tournaments they used a lot of Japanese conventions (Shotokan) and guys used a reverse punch, a front kick and a lunge punch, that was about it...well when they started to do tournements in the 60's they allowed open fighting among different styles...

Consequently more techniques were allowed...Eventually, wanting to really bash they developed.......kick boxing. A hybrid boxing and martial arts system for fighting full contact. I loved those guys as fighters...but to me? kick boxing was the worse thing that could have been done... Now enter years later, guys like Therault, Rufus, etc.... But if you read your history kick boxing was originally designed to let guys in karate fight full contact after the period of the 60's where open tourneys (including the famous Long Beach California tourney where Lee mde his debute)... were developed.

Theerault and Rufus were kick boxers,..how would they have done against professional boxers that are part of mainstream boxing? At the middle to upper echelon?

Now, I know kick boxing developed from that time and also, there is Thai Boxing, Bando, etc that are legit in my eyes. Totally different animal.

Yea I'd agree with you there. Karate guys became Kickboxing guys all the time back in the day & probably still do (I don't pay attention to it quite the same way so I can only assume).

My main point of contention was Rick Rufus wasn't a boxer who turned to kickboxing, he was a kickboxer (65-9-3 record, debut in 1985) who seemingly dabbled in boxing (13-5 record, debut in 1990) & later even MMA (4-6 record, debut 2008). He did Karate &/or martial arts that were non-boxing as a kid. He got into kickboxing. And later he went into boxing. Probably cuz the money was better as many non-boxing combat sports guys have done or just for an extra check as many people do.

And the other guy Jean-Yves Thériault I assume is who you are talking about doesn't appear to have boxed at all that I can tell, amateur or pro.

So I'm unsure of what the original context of boxers who went into kickboxing really is here. I was curious about boxers who went into kickboxing in the early years who did or didn't have success there. Thus far I'm not seeing anyone from pro boxing who did this & I'm not seeing any clear line of amateur boxers turning pro in kickboxing either.

My assumption has always been boxing has & still does pay drastically more than kickboxing & thus not many guys would have even crossed the street into kickboxing when it paid less for potentially more danger cuz you got hands AND feet coming at your face.

[billeau2]

Yea I'd agree with you there. Karate guys became Kickboxing guys all the time back in the day & probably still do (I don't pay attention to it quite the same way so I can only assume).

My main point of contention was Rick Rufus wasn't a boxer who turned to kickboxing, he was a kickboxer (65-9-3 record, debut in 1985) who seemingly dabbled in boxing (13-5 record, debut in 1990) & later even MMA (4-6 record, debut 2008). He did Karate &/or martial arts that were non-boxing as a kid. He got into kickboxing. And later he went into boxing. Probably cuz the money was better as many non-boxing combat sports guys have done or just for an extra check as many people do.

And the other guy Jean-Yves Thériault I assume is who you are talking about doesn't appear to have boxed at all that I can tell, amateur or pro.

So I'm unsure of what the original context of boxers who went into kickboxing really is here. I was curious about boxers who went into kickboxing in the early years who did or didn't have success there. Thus far I'm not seeing anyone from pro boxing who did this & I'm not seeing any clear line of amateur boxers turning pro in kickboxing either.

My assumption has always been boxing has & still does pay drastically more than kickboxing & thus not many guys would have even crossed the street into kickboxing when it paid less for potentially more danger cuz you got hands AND feet coming at your face.

Therault is an example of what I am saying. he was a boxer who went into kick boxing lol. And yes my point is you won't see anyone who went into pro boxing in the kick boxing at that time. What these guys did, and Therault is the poster boy for this: is instead of being low calibre, boxers, presumably able to fight professionally, they went into kick boxing and used their boxing skills to crush guys who were karateka, etc and were adapting to boxing rules using kicks. You see what I am saying?

If someone was good enough to be a pro boxer they would not go into kick boxing. Now, some guys did have a martial arts and boxing background, like Don Wilson and Benny Uriquez. You actually had guys who were good fighters in the kick boxing but and this is what kills me... By trying to adapt to boxing rules, they never were particularly good at boxing, and when you pad up, there is a natural inclination to use simple boxing techniques. Although it should be noted that Bill Superfoot Wallace retired undefeated using just his left leg, and thats no exxageration.

[SplitSecond]

Some sort of mix I think is a safe bet, thus the tiny opponent.

[Eff Pandas]

Therault is an example of what I am saying. he was a boxer who went into kick boxing lol.

The only notable kickboxer I'm seeing with a name similar is Jean-Yves Theriault. And he NEVER boxed, amateur or professional that I'm seeing.

And yes my point is you won't see anyone who went into pro boxing in the kick boxing at that time. What these guys did, and Therault is the poster boy for this: is instead of being low calibre, boxers, presumably able to fight professionally, they went into kick boxing and used their boxing skills to crush guys who were karateka, etc and were adapting to boxing rules using kicks. You see what I am saying?

LOL not at all. If this guy was THAT good of a boxer why not go into boxing & make more money? The money in combat sports was ONLY in boxing in those days. And still to this day, while other combat sports pay better than they used to, boxing pays the most for the best guys.

If someone was good enough to be a pro boxer they would not go into kick boxing. Now, some guys did have a martial arts and boxing background, like Don Wilson and Benny Uriquez. You actually had guys who were good fighters in the kick boxing but and this is what kills me... By trying to adapt to boxing rules, they never were particularly good at boxing, and when you pad up, there is a natural inclination to use simple boxing techniques. Although it should be noted that Bill Superfoot Wallace retired undefeated using just his left leg, and thats no exxageration.

I mean there is a trajectory combat sports all were on at one point that was more simplistic. I mean in boxing mfers used to more or less just stand in front of each other & hit each other. I forget the name of the first guy who used to move around & sh^t, but people accused him of cheating & sh^t iirc. Thats how nuts boxing was at one time. And these other combat sports only got modernized in the last 30 or so years realllllllly.

I guess I just thought this topic was about something else when you said boxers switched to kickboxing & did really well. I thought you were gonna name off some 11-9 journeyman boxers or w/e who went into kickboxing & started merking guys. It sounds like these guys you are talking about were merely talented at boxing, but never pursued boxing in a serious manner before kickboxer if they pursued boxing at all.