Comments Thread For: Porter: Thurman Wants Rematch, Negotiations Have Begun

[John Locke]

Thurman turned down the opportunity to fight Spence for a belt that Floyd was giving up. Demanded $10 million. This was the year before Thurman finally got his belt.

And what makes you think Floyd has any control over who fights for a vacant belt lol? Stop taking everything that man says seriously.

[TheIronMike]

Thurman-Porter 1 was one of the best high level welterweight fights i've ever seen.

The ebb and flow was amazing. And Keith looked surpremely focused inbetween rounds before the 12th

[sicko]

When you win a vacant WBC world championship, you immediately owe two mandatories in a row. That's been the rule for a very long time.

I get that, it doesn't mean I have to like it but I understand

[filup79]

That's factually incorrect. It's said a lot here but it is not necessarily true. Sanctioning bodies can "CHOOSE" to make a title unification priority over a mandatory, it's considered a special sanction. The WBC "CAN" decide at it's own discretion to make a champion from another organization the mandatory challenger, which would then take precedent over any existing mandatory that was previously ordered. That can only be decided after a vote by the WBC's governing board, which only happens once a month at the convention. Either way in this case it wouldn't matter, because the WBC already made Thurman a champion in recess. When Thurman gave up his title, the board of governors voted and approved giving Thurman first shot at the title, leap frogging any challenger or mandatory upon his request, that includes unification. Once Thurman requested a title fight at the convention, the WBC had to honor it. So, even if they voted and made Spence the mando for a special sanction, unless contracts were already signed, Thurman's request would have surpassed Spence.

Nobody is talking about making Spence the mando. Porter could fight Spence instead of his mandatory because it would be a unification. Otherwise Porter would have to fight his mandos instead of fighting anyone other than Spence or Crawford, since both those would be unification fights. He can't just fight a Ortiz or Khan next.

[filup79]

Yes but not right now. According to the WBC's rules and protocols; A fighter is forbidden to have any voluntary defenses of a title he won while it was vacant, until he completes at least two mandatory challenges of it.

Once Porter completes his two mandatory title defenses of Keith Thurman and Andre Berto, then he will be free to have his choice of any fighter; Including Erroll Spence, Jr. For a unification bout at 147 but not before he completes his two mandatory defenses.

I'm done with you, you just don't get it. Khan, Collazo or Broner would be fights considered voluntary defenses. He can't make those fights do to the mandatory, but he can fight either Spence or Crawford, those aren't considered voluntary defenses, they are unification fights that trump a mandatory. Porter will hide behind the I need to fulfill my 2 mandatory's to duck Spence.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Thurman turned down the opportunity to fight Spence for a belt that Floyd was giving up. Demanded $10 million. This was the year before Thurman finally got his belt.

So Thurman turned down a fight against Spence in 2014 for a vacant belt? Link?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Nobody is talking about making Spence the mando. Porter could fight Spence instead of his mandatory because it would be a unification. Otherwise Porter would have to fight his mandos instead of fighting anyone other than Spence or Crawford, since both those would be unification fights. He can't just fight a Ortiz or Khan next.

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. In order for a unification bout to take precedent over any mandatory bouts that have already been ordered, the WBC has to vote on a special sanction. The governing board would have to vote and approve another organizations champion there by making said champion a mandatory challenger. That process makes the unification bout priority. Unification is always treated as special circumstances and has to be voted on before it's allowed. After the bout is approved it would be considered a voluntary defense (unless the governing board makes it a mandatory) which is trumped by a mandatory. In fact, the other champion is considered nothing but a "qualified challenger" by virtue of holding a recognized title. This is the WBC rules, there is nothing you can say that is going to change this FACT. And as I already said, in this case it would not have mattered. Keith Thurman was made a champion in recess when he voluntarily relinquished the title, on top of that, the WBC governing board voted and gave Thurman the ability to step in front of any voluntary or mandatory to challenge for the title, and that includes a Spence unification.

3.8 Special Bout Sanction(s).

Under special circumstances, including but not limited to as a
bout involving an elite contender, a champion of another organization, a match or
tournament that the WBC determines in its sole discretion would be in the best interests of
boxing, or any other applicable special circumstance, the WBC may order and/or sanction
any such bout, or each associated tournament bout, as either a voluntary or mandatory
defense under such terms and conditions as the WBC may impose in its sole discretion, and
may order that any such special bout take precedence over and occur prior to any previously
designated mandatory defense.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I'm done with you, you just don't get it. Khan, Collazo or Broner would be fights considered voluntary defenses. He can't make those fights do to the mandatory, but he can fight either Spence or Crawford, those aren't considered voluntary defenses, they are unification fights that trump a mandatory. Porter will hide behind the I need to fulfill my 2 mandatory's to duck Spence.

It's funny because although Champ is a little wrong, you are completely wrong. You don't know how this works, you need to do some research.


3.3 Qualified Challengers. Champions shall defend their titles, either in a voluntary or
mandatory defense, against a challenger (each, a “Qualified Challenger”) in one of the
following categories:

(a) any of the top ten (10) rated contenders; or

(b) with the approval of or ratification by a majority of the Board of Governors,

i. any boxer rated 11 to 15;
ii. a champion or a highly-rated boxer of another weight division;
iii. another WBC champion, such as a WBC Diamond or Silver Champion,
Champion Emeritus, or Champion in Recess;
iv. a former world champion or other elite challenger;
v. a champion of another boxing organization recognized by the WBC


3.4 Voluntary Defenses.

In order to fulfill their requirement to defend the title regularly in a
timely manner, champions shall propose voluntary defenses against Qualified Challengers
as defined above. No bout shall qualify as a voluntary defense other than as permitted by
the WBC in accordance with these Rules & Regulations or any WBC rulings. Any bout
(voluntary or mandatory) in which a WBC World Champion would compete for or defend a
title or status other than his WBC World Championship, even if the WBC title is also at
stake, is not permitted absent special circumstances, and then only following a prior written
request to and approval by the WBC, which in its sole discretion may approve, deny, or
impose such terms and conditions as it may determine appropriate under the facts and
circumstances on a case-by-case basis.

3.8 Special Bout Sanction(s).

Under special circumstances, including but not limited to as a
bout involving an elite contender, a champion of another organization, a match or
tournament that the WBC determines in its sole discretion would be in the best interests of
boxing, or any other applicable special circumstance, the WBC may order and/or sanction
any such bout, or each associated tournament bout, as either a voluntary or mandatory
defense under such terms and conditions as the WBC may impose in its sole discretion, and
may order that any such special bout take precedence over and occur prior to any previously
designated mandatory defense.

[champion4ever]

I'm done with you, you just don't get it. Khan, Collazo or Broner would be fights considered voluntary defenses. He can't make those fights do to the mandatory, but he can fight either Spence or Crawford, those aren't considered voluntary defenses, they are unification fights that trump a mandatory. Porter will hide behind the I need to fulfill my 2 mandatory's to duck Spence.

Did you hear what the president of the WBC Mauricio Sulaiman said man? I didn't make these rules up. I am not the one who is saying that Spence cannot fight Porter but Mauricio Sulaiman is.

It's because Porter cannot be recognized as their champion unless he defeats the mandatory lineal champion Keith Thurman and an additional mandatory defense against Andre Berto. It doesn't matter if he is a titleholder.

Until he defeats the lineal champion in the ring he won't be regarded as the WBC's legitimate champion until he has two mandatory defenses of that WBC title. So therefore, he cannot unify the championship belts until he defeats Thurman and Berto.

He is still isn't recognized as the legitimate WBC champion because he won a vacant title. He did not defeat the champion to get the belt. Therefore, he gets no voluntary defenses at this time even though he's a current title holder along with Spence.

However, Erroll actually earned his place by defeating the lineal champion in Kell Brook in the ring in order to become the new, legitimate, recognized and undisputed IBF welterweight champion of the world.

I just don't know what is it so hard for you guys to understand. Let's say that Porter defeated the champion Keith Thurman for his vacant title then he would be entitled to trump a mandatory in that case but he didn't. He won a title that was vacant.

Lastly, you cannot have a unification title bout with another titleholder by winning a vacant title. You are going to have to defeat the lineal champion and a mandatory or two first in order to do so.

[P4Pdunny]

Thurman will prob take a tune up before this. Tough to walk straight into this.