Comments Thread For: Roach Says a Prime Pacquiao 'Walks Through' Everyone at 147

[MisanthropicNY]

Yet that same Prime Pac (1999-2009) lost to Singsurat, drew with Sanchez and JMM (after being up 3 points after 3 KD's in round 1) and lost to Morales.

Edit: Also had an SD win over JMM that the majority of fans and media members felt JMM won.

Maybe your memory of what Prime Manny was is just a bit distorted.

You don't know anything about what you're talking about that's why you're relying on "fans and media members." Marquez never beat Pac other than the 4th fight - he should have lost the first fight if it wasn't for a scoring error. Last fight he caught him, but his style gave Pac trouble and many "people" believe Marquez was on steroids (acne and weird muscle gain etc.)

Other than Marquez all of the times you mentioned were not prime Pacquiao - that's like me bringing up Jose Luis Castillo schooling the fk out of Mayweather. Castillo beat Mayweather so easily Harold Lederman even had it 8-4. That Mayweather would lose to Pac and many others, so what are you talking about? Plus, Pac never had to take an IV the night before a fight.

[Spoon23]

A prime pacquiao make floyd hide into a temporary retirement.

lolololol

ACE

[Realboxingfan1]

LMFAO Pac fought in the US 27 times!! In your turf!! And STILL haven't been busted for peds. Explain that or GTFOH lol

yea but first explain your fkn ******ed fake profile name

[AllEyesOpen]

Maybe, sadly Pac is far from prime so it's a moot point.

[Mzembe]

look at the guys he beat?? isnt that the reason why he got accused of juicing because he ran thru all of them?? now its their old, etc? lol!!! cant even make this up! lol. if pac fought bums then what do we call the opponents spence has fought? cab drivers? lol

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I am not sure what kind of reasoning you hold dude!! In my post above I have not accused or even suggested PAC is a juicer. I have focused on the disadvantages his opponents were given (catch weights) and the BUMS that he has fought while there were bigger and better names to fight.

When you try to compare Spence to PAC it clearly shows you have ZERO knowledge about boxing.
Spence won the IBF belt last year from Kell Brooks and is only 28 years old. He has repeatedly called out current legit belt holders and is not tied to any promotional giant so his fights can be easily made. He has also fought twice after his IBF win. In the next two years if he does not unify or fight the top WW then we can say he is avoiding or cherry picking his fights.

PAC has literally been cherry picking fights since he moved up to 135 to fight David Diaz hence my list above. If you can respond to that list and the facts that I've listed then we can have a debate but you choose to act like an obtuse neanderthal by giving false equivalencies that have nothing to do with the discussion on this thread which means you literally know nothing about boxing. Are you a Filipino? If the answer is yes please don't bother responding because you guys are known for your illogical love for your pinoy idol

[Mzembe]

I hope peds can produce such that kind of fighter. But the truth is pac is a once in a lifetime fighter that every nation can only dreamed of. No fighter in the past up to present can do what what pac had done in his prime.

Even if u gave crawford,spence, floyd etc. every peds in the world they could never do what pac had done in his prime.

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Right, they would never fight BUMS like Brandon Rios or Mathysse or Jeff Horn or Algieri or David Diaz.
They would never fight the Bradley 3 times
They would never fight Morales 3 times
They would never fight Bradley 3 times
They would never fight Marquez 4 times

Those are 13 fights against 4 guys. The reason the rematches happened was because those were all close fights and Manny lost to Morales and got KO by Marquez and had close fights with the others. A great fighter like PAC should have destroyed all those guys.

A great fighter like PAC should have made fights with any of the current WW boxers when he could but he ducked all of them and continued to cherry pick bums.

Your name suggests you are a Filipino so if PAC was fart you would say it smells really good. If he was to poop you would say it looks so delicious and smells like cheese cake.
You also probably think PAC is the greatest Senator in the history of the Phillipines politics, right?

[Mzembe]

spence's best win at ww is a damaged one eye drained brook! LOL!! come at me dunn!!!

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Spence is 28 years old and just won his first WW title at 147 last year. He has a few more years to unify or fight the top WW in the division.
Let him fight BUMS or duck the current top guys then we can criticize him for the choices he makes.
PAC won 1 title at 135 against David Diaz who was a virtual nondescript guy that I bet you have no idea who he is.
He then won 1 title at 140 beating Hatton who had lost to Floyd.
Fact is PAC literally did nothing at those two weight classes.

At 147 PAC's resume is garbage .... those are facts. PAC could have fought better names and he probably would have beaten them but he did not.

[champion4ever]

Then the question one must ask themselves is, when was prime Pac? If Roach is referring to the 2009-2010 Pac; Then I just so happen to agree with him. He does walk through everyone at 147.

[Mzembe]

You are doing that. You are treating ODH like he was Prime HOF ODH when he wasn't that guy when he fought Manny. That ODH isn't even a top 15 WW right now dude. He was 35 and hadn't been at WW in 8 years.

Names mean nothing, its where they were as fighters when the fights happened.

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Bro, you are wasing your time debating these fools. These guys worship Manny so much that they would probably drink his pee and eat his poop and tell you it was the most delicious thing they have ever tasted.

I have explained to this Filipino the same thing and he keeps using Spence's career record to compare it to Manny. Spence is 28 and just won his first belt at WW. He has repeatedly called out the top dawgs at WW and most important, he has enough time before we can judge him.

Manny, in his prime has fought weight drained guys or BUMS since 2008. Like how can anyone in their right mind defend fights against BUMS like Brandon Rios who had lost his last fight, or Algieri whom virtually nobody knew, or Jeff Horn or Mathysse or even David Diaz at 135.
Manny fought Mosley right after Mosley had just been soundly beaten by Floyd.

Can you imagine Floyd fighting the guys I have just listed? These guys would have a field day with it.

[IceTrayDaGang]

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I am not sure what kind of reasoning you hold dude!! In my post above I have not accused or even suggested PAC is a juicer. I have focused on the disadvantages his opponents were given (catch weights) and the BUMS that he has fought while there were bigger and better names to fight.

When you try to compare Spence to PAC it clearly shows you have ZERO knowledge about boxing.
Spence won the IBF belt last year from Kell Brooks and is only 28 years old. He has repeatedly called out current legit belt holders and is not tied to any promotional giant so his fights can be easily made. He has also fought twice after his IBF win. In the next two years if he does not unify or fight the top WW then we can say he is avoiding or cherry picking his fights.

PAC has literally been cherry picking fights since he moved up to 135 to fight David Diaz hence my list above. If you can respond to that list and the facts that I've listed then we can have a debate but you choose to act like an obtuse neanderthal by giving false equivalencies that have nothing to do with the discussion on this thread which means you literally know nothing about boxing. Are you a Filipino? If the answer is yes please don't bother responding because you guys are known for your illogical love for your pinoy idol

im not accusing you of saying he's juicing. im explaining to you that now yall downplaying the opponents pac won during that time calling it a 145 cotto, drained oscar, etc. saying its not impressive. but those were the fights were pac got accused of juicing because of how he ran thru them. do you get it now?

and dont fool yourself. spence beat a drained handicap one eye brook who just took a beating from ggg at 154 then have to drop back down to 147. wow, impressive huh? come at me!