Comments Thread For: Garcia-Commey Not Next; Garcia-Spence Negotiations Progressing

[PapaBricks]

Define everybody. Right now I hear Crawford's trainer and promoter doing it, but who else?

Exactly lol...
Who the hell is everybody?!

I'm pretty sure that guy doesn't watch boxing to often.
Just talking out his ass.

[PapaBricks]

Finally!!! Both these dudes need a big fight! Please you guys don't hate on this!!!

You get it!!!

Sometimes I really hate boxing fans. Or maybe it's just the "fans" that post on this site.

[Larry the boss]

was duran a fool when he moved up two weight classes to fight one of the all time great welterweights in sugar ray leonard? duran won that fight mikey believes he can do the same. props to him

Duran did not move up to fight Leonard, He had been a ww for 2 years and had even fought over the ww limit 2 times

[Jy4634]

Right there with you on this one,.. we all have options don't hate on what's available, just choose your options wisely, leave the other options at bay,...one man's garbage, next man's treasure,...!?!

[killakali]

I've been posting here since PBC started telling people what the true intention was. That was ignored by many here lol I even showed the ratings data (between UFC and PBC on network TV) to explain my point.

This was the plan the whole time. The math was clear to see from the beginning. (Getting a TV deal and PPV revenue to mimic the UFC)

That's what the TopRank suit was really about. Bob saw what was happening. Once that exclusivity provision was stripped in the settlement, Bob moved to get the ESPN content deal first (after it had already been discussed with PBC/ESPN). PBC waited out UFC's deal (which eventually landed at ESPN) to get the leftovers from the losing network. This is something I also wrote about here.

The only reason FOX doesn't have all of the PBC fights is because of Haymon's loyalty to Showtime. FOX was willing to take all of that content for $125M annually to fill the content void left by UFC's departure. Espinosa wouldn't let that content leave. That's why there's a bifurcated content deal.

PPV was always coming from them. That "free boxing for all" stuff was just marketing for their time buys.

You are partially right. The main reason is PBC doesn't have any ppv fighters. They still don't besides the end of Pacquiao.

Spence Garcia and Wilder Fury won't top much more thank 300-350k buys and Spence Garcia could end up doing less thank 250k buys. Even Pac doesn't have the fan base anymore and 400k would be a big win for that card.

I agree on Top Rank wanting the exclusivity done. They already had that the ESPN deal almost done before they settled with PBC. PBC is keeping Showtime because Showtime also because Showtime could theoretically keep growing their budget and he could end up with more from both en****** than just fox alone.

Top Rank got the better deal than Fox though. With all of their lead ins on Sports Center that is something that FOX will never be able to compete with. It draws eyeballs who would never watch a boxing preview show. And the streaming doesn't have to be dictated by tv schedules is also big.

Eventually maybe FOX will stream fights too

[Butch.McRae]

You are partially right. The main reason is PBC doesn't have any ppv fighters. They still don't besides the end of Pacquiao.

Spence Garcia and Wilder Fury won't top much more thank 300-350k buys and Spence Garcia could end up doing less thank 250k buys. Even Pac doesn't have the fan base anymore and 400k would be a big win for that card.

I agree on Top Rank wanting the exclusivity done. They already had that the ESPN deal almost done before they settled with PBC. PBC is keeping Showtime because Showtime also because Showtime could theoretically keep growing their budget and he could end up with more from both en****** than just fox alone.

Top Rank got the better deal than Fox though. With all of their lead ins on Sports Center that is something that FOX will never be able to compete with. It draws eyeballs who would never watch a boxing preview show. And the streaming doesn't have to be dictated by tv schedules is also big.

Eventually maybe FOX will stream fights too

FOX already announced an app is on the way for fights. So it's coming. I think the one thing you missed was the dedicated shows they'll have for PBC on FS1. That will be huge. We might even see a PBC contender type series soon.

[killakali]

FOX already announced an app is on the way for fights. So it's coming. I think the one thing you missed was the dedicated shows they'll have for PBC on FS1. That will be huge. We might even see a PBC contender type series soon.

I already have enough shows for boxing with Golpe a Golpe and Rafael's show plus Chris Mannix ESPN boxing show.

Those shows are superior because they talk about all fighters and events and not just ESPN events. Whereas the PBC shows will only talk about PBC fighters and I don't really need those infomercials.

[killakali]

That's my point! Crawford and Mikey are much closer in size, and they BOTH have NOT proved anything at 147! That's why I posed the question, "Why is Spence vs. Garcia a mismatch, but SPence vs. Crawford is not?"

BECAUSE Crawford started 2 weight classes HIGHER at 135 and NOT at 126

[killakali]

Cool and I agree about PAC / Broner neither are the best but both their names carry weight and
I’m intrigued enough to buy

The rest of your post is kind of dog sh.it

Mikey couldn’t hurt anyone at 140 ? He dropped Lipinets and obviously Lipinets respected his power. As far as Broner he easily outboxed him he didn’t need to go for the kill besides Broner didn’t even allow himself to open for the kill

Wilder /Fury are still 2/3 of the Hearn hW if it happens 3 years ago people would complain that Wilder hasn’t fought anyone . The time is right fornthisnfight to happen

As far as Crawford /Horn . Horn was never a top tier WW he got a lucky hometown decision against PAC he isn’t elite and never will be so that isnt the best fighting the best

Vargas /Dulhorme is a best fighting the best it’s good fighting and fringe contender and the same goes for Beterbiev/Johnston , Whioe Beterbiev May prove to be one of the elites at 175 , Johnston isn’t anywhere near that conversation none of the those are best fighting the best

It’s clear you’re happy with avg fights but I bet you complain when the PBC guys fight those type of fights. I bet you complained about the Charlo fights even though those are better fights then Dulhorme/Vargas , Beterbiev/Johnston which are essentially free fights on basic cable that you don’t have to pay for

But hey you do you what ever floats your boat

We got some issues with your post. First the Pac-Horn fight was close. Could have went either way. It isn't like a washed Pac dominated. That win made Horn a lower tier top 10 welter. That was a good fight for Crawford's first at 147.

Saying Charlo-Monroe and Charlo-Harrison are better than Dulorme-Vargas is laughable. Bigger names? The Charlo brothers sure are but as for the fights itself you must not be paying attention. Vargas-Dulorme was a fight where Vargas was a -400 favorite and you try to compare that to two mismatch fights where Jermall opened a -2500 favorite and Jermall -1600.

The PBC card aren't competitive but have bigger names whereas Vargas-Dulorme was competitive on paper and turned out to be a really good fight in real life. Jermall should stop Monroe in 4-5 rounds and Jermell should end that chinny azz Harrison in 7-8 or less.

Mikey can outbox a lot of fighters but if you look at his KO percentage he KOs most of his opponents. He never hurt Broner even though he tried to. Lipinents got dropped but was never close to getting stopped. If you don't see his power didn't carry the way he devastated guys at 26, 30 and 35 then you don't know what you are seeing.

[Shadoww702]

BECAUSE Crawford started 2 weight classes HIGHER at 135 and NOT at 126

Thats a BIG difference...