Comments Thread For: Hearn Erupts: Wilder Wants 60-40 For Joshua? F*** Off!

[Jax teller]

Finkel isn't a promoter and has far less incentive to lie. Finkel speaks publicly far less often so he has fewer opportunities to lie.




Wilder and Fury agreed to a term sheet that specified the time frame the fight would take place in, who would choose the location, and made it clear it would be the next fight for each of them with no interim fights.

When Wilder sent a term sheet to AJ, it specified the time frame the fight would take place in, who would choose the location, and made it clear it would be the next fight for each of them with no interim fights.

But when Hearn sent Wilder a contract, it made no mention whatsoever of when the fight would take place and had no language guaranteeing the fight would take place next.

So members of the cult of Hearn have been completely brainwashed by the idea that Wilder and Fury could agree without a date, but Wilder and AJ couldn't. It's two completely different things. Wilder and Fury agreed they'd fight in November or December and it would be their next fight. That is how boxing is typically done. That is what Wilder's offer to AJ specified in the terms.

That is totally different than what Hearn sent in his contract, which made no mention of time frame and had no language guaranteeing the fight would be next.

This is exactly what I'm talking about so bias and just dancing around my post wih non-points.

Less opportunity? He is a public figure have you not seen him in all the recent pressers and interveiws?

Finkel said he knew the date and venue for the Fury all along and Hearn is a lying when he said Finkel didn't know. Wilder and Warren both contradicting this on the same day. - Finkel Lies?

Wilder said he agreed Finkel said they didn't again someone is lying.

How do you know what was on the term sheets and how did Wilder and Fury have more in place to ensure the fight was next, what evidence is there for this nothing was signed? I think it was general consensus that AJ would have had to have fought Wilder next and you have no evidence to suggest AJ wouldn't have, just conspiracy theories. Why did Wilders team not raise it straight away if it was so important, why take so long with impending mandos?

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How do you know what was on the term sheets and how did Wilder and Fury have more in place to ensure the fight was next, what evidence is there for this nothing was signed?

The terms sent to AJ were made public. They were very typical of what you would list in a boxing offer. Wilder and Fury didn't need to know the exact date to agree to a fight if they agreed on the time frame and that it would be the next fight for each of them. Two things Hearn refused to put in writing in the contract sent to Wilder.

So when Hearn says, how can Wilder & Fury agree without a date & venue when Wilder refused to do the same for an AJ fight, he's leaving out those two very important elements. And he's doing that to trick people. Plain and simple.

As for Finkel saying he knew the date, of course he knew the date long before it was announced, but the point is that the exact date didn't need to be known for Fury to agree to the fight if there's language guaranteeing the fight is next.

If Hearn's contract said, "Fight to take place in September or October, with no intervening fights," Wilder would have signed. But Hearn didn't do that because he didn't want the fight to be next. Very simple.

[Laligalaliga]

Reported purses and filed purses are two completely different things. We have no idea what AJ's filed purses are. We just hear the big numbers Hearn throws around, which are likely wildly inflated.

AJ wanted to accept the $50 million, but was talked out of it.

The offer wasn't from BT. That's a giant lie and proof that you just believe anything Hearn tells you.

Since you believe AJ's purse is wildly inflated. Pls tell us how much his filled purse is. Maybe 5mil or 7mil? Right? Pls tell us.

[Laligalaliga]

Of course AJ can KO Wilder. Let's say the fight took place 9/22 and Wilder got knocked out. So what? PBC's roster is deep, the effect would be minimal.

You claim my sentiment is in favor of Wilder, but your claim doesn't make any sense because my position is that AJ is a much bigger star with a lot more to lose. Wilder would have been risking far less going all in than AJ would have been. AJ had far more to lose and Wilder had far more to gain. So of course Wilder is the one that was more eager to fight.

AJ has more to loose in the match up so he deserves a much higher % in terms of revenue. He might likely loose all these if he looses;

1. 4 belts
2. Unified champ status
3. Likely drop in ppv sales
4. Likely Become a contender again
5. Might loose some fans as well
6. Drastic reduction in revenue possibly from gate and ppv.

Wilder has less or nothing to loose aside the green belt.

AJ is too keen to be the undisputed. I would have told him to ignore the Alabama guy with his green belt. Somebody else like Charlse Martin will bring it to him for the undisputed.

[aboutfkntime]

Originally Posted by aboutfkntime
FACT: Joshua is WAY bigger than Wilder.... so, get real Wilder
FACT: Parker got 32.5%.......................... so, get real Hearn

Wilder deserves 37.5%

Wilder should take 35%

FACT: until they offer Wilder 32.5% (minimum)..... they are not serious about making the fight, and are just blowing smoke

thanks !

but it's just common-sense

they agreed that Parker was worth 32.5%, so if they offer Wilder less than 32.5%..... they be shucking and jiving

in saying that, Joshua is MUCH bigger than Wilder

I highly doubt that Wilder can justify 40%

pretty sure the only reason why they would ever pay him that much, would be if they were desperate for that fight..... but, they clearly are not

like I said..... if Wilder could get 37.5% - 40%, he should jump on it, gratefully..... and if he gets offered 35%, he should probably jump on that as well

Wilder needs to be reasonable..... the problem is, they have not offered him anything even close to that

Hearn knows exactly how to make that fight happen, and he knows exactly how to kill it

we will see

Actually... I can't argue any of that. I could defend a 60/40 split in Joshua's favor as being totally warranted as Wilder brings a better name than Parker (no one knew who Parker was except his homeland fans and boxing enthusiasts), a belt, and the lineal HW title so long as he handles Fury. But Parker brought a title as well so your numbers are fair.

landotter, Hearn just said this.....

"At the moment I think a split of 65-35 in AJ’s favour is fair"
https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-if...-50-50--133005

my numbers are bang on

like I said..... Hearn knows exactly how to make that fight happen, and he knows exactly how to kill it..... we will see

[Jax teller]

Since you believe AJ's purse is wildly inflated. Pls tell us how much his filled purse is. Maybe 5mil or 7mil? Right? Pls tell us.

Apparently Wilders are deflated though according to this guy.

[P4Pdunny]

hearn giving the fighting talk here

[Jax teller]

The terms sent to AJ were made public. They were very typical of what you would list in a boxing offer. Wilder and Fury didn't need to know the exact date to agree to a fight if they agreed on the time frame and that it would be the next fight for each of them. Two things Hearn refused to put in writing in the contract sent to Wilder.

So when Hearn says, how can Wilder & Fury agree without a date & venue when Wilder refused to do the same for an AJ fight, he's leaving out those two very important elements. And he's doing that to trick people. Plain and simple.

As for Finkel saying he knew the date, of course he knew the date long before it was announced, but the point is that the exact date didn't need to be known for Fury to agree to the fight if there's language guaranteeing the fight is next.

If Hearn's contract said, "Fight to take place in September or October, with no intervening fights," Wilder would have signed. But Hearn didn't do that because he didn't want the fight to be next. Very simple.

But he didn't know the date or venue now you are lying.

Wilder or Fury didn't sign anything for over a month nothing was binding but they said they agreed the fight in a week, do you remember them saying that to make it look like Hearn was hard to work with? They have lied here you are just making excuses and missing out the details. All they had to do is ask for the contract to be changed they failed to do that, very simple. If Hearn not putting a date means he didn't want the fight then Wilder not asking for one means they didn't want it either.

[kafkod]

No, it didn't. That's not what Warren said, that's what Hearn tricked you into believing Warren said.

Warren was hired by Wilder's team to help determine what the UK rights for an AJ-Wilder fight were worth. So Warren went to BT to see what they would have been willing to pay for the fight. This was done so Wilder's team could make sure Sky Sports paid fair market value for the fight.

The 50 million offer wasn't contingent on fighting on BT and BT wasn't bankrolling the offer. That's nonsense Hearn made up.

That's strange ... because Hearn never said anything about it until after Frank Warren let it slip in an interview.

[Laligalaliga]

Apparently Wilders are deflated though according to this guy.

He is always repeating that rubbish. Trying increase wilders pay and reduce AJ's pay as well to make him feel better.

I have asked him several times to tell me what AJ's filed pay is, am yet to get response.