Comments Thread For: Farmer To Gervonta Davis: Why You Not Fighting? I Want You!

[Ake-Dawg]

How is letting Tank keep his trainers who got him a 206-15 amateur record & a undefeated pro record, mostly by KO, & to the point of being one of the top young guys in the sport "allowing him to fail"? I believe his own trainers we're pissed at Tank's performance on the McConor card so I think that was all on Tank not taking that fight seriously & in fairness it was a step down for him vs the guys he had been fighting so he mighta thought he could get away with not taking it seriously (& sh^t ultimately he did, but it looked uglier than it should've).

I don't think you have a focused camp with Floyd there who as far as I'm aware has never ran a fight camp before. I think Floyd would be great at showing you one or two lil things you're already doing & how you could to them just a lil better. I don't think Floyd has the personality or the ability to take a back seat to help a guy get in the best shape in a training camp. If Floyd wants to help some kid in his 8th fight get ready fair play, but just cuz Floyd was a great boxer I don't think that necessarily translates into being a good trainer.

I think your entire opinion of what is happening with Tank is based on how you project Mayweather to be or would be. Yet you aren't taking into account what you have actually seen via videos from the Mayweather gym and testimonials from other fighters. Jack, Haney, Eubank, Spence, etc. All high level guys saying they benefited from being at Mayweather gym and how Mayweather taught them things like focus, work ethic, discipline.

No one tried to take Tank trainers away, they objected to the arrangement. To me, if your team can't keep you focused and get you to the weigh in on weight not once but twice, you need a new team or new influences on your team. It's not enough to be pissed AFTER the fact. The stakes are to high in the fight game. Andre Ward said his team wouldn't let him say no to the Olympics. He says Virgil taught him more than just how to throw punches. Where is that leadership and guidance coming from for Tank? Who let's him get drunk and high in between fights like it doesn't hurt him and won't affect his longevity in the business?

[Ake-Dawg]

Unless you have lived here it's hard to imagine the ****** **** in Baltimore. I say that because there's no way tank has much more than loyalty and if he's in one of the major hoods he definitely risks getting shot. There are cats that live to cut life short for those trying to get out.

But having said that? Floyd is hardly the best influence for him. Floyd is not an adult. This kid needs a stable adult to keep him on the straight and narrow and worry about the boxing on an as needs basis.

From a pure boxing perspective, how is Mayweather not the model fighter. Discipline and focus. Doesn't drink or do drugs. Constantly in shape. Constantly training and honing the craft. Studies opponents. Seems like people don't understand that Money Mayweather is the persona and that's where it ends.

[Eff Pandas]

I think your entire opinion of what is happening with Tank is based on how you project Mayweather to be or would be.

I'm a long time Mayweather fan. But he's no trainer. He can help you with that one thing I agree. But he's not gonna run a full camp in a professional way or in a way that will be to a lot of fighters liking. He's too into the camera. He's too into attention. He'd be like Freddie Roach on steroids as a trainer.

Yet you aren't taking into account what you have actually seen via videos from the Mayweather gym and testimonials from other fighters. Jack, Haney, Eubank, Spence, etc. All high level guys saying they benefited from being at Mayweather gym and how Mayweather taught them things like focus, work ethic, discipline.

I got no doubt Floyd can help you with that one thing you need improving on. He can probably break it down better then any trainer could. I don't believe he's got the attention span to run a 6-8 week training camp doe.

There is a reason its rare for highly successful boxers to become highly successful trainers. They generally don't got the aptitude for it due to all the ego they've had to have as a boxer with everything focused on them for a couple decades. Most cats just can't wash that away & make everything about the boxer.

No one tried to take Tank trainers away, they objected to the arrangement. To me, if your team can't keep you focused and get you to the weigh in on weight not once but twice, you need a new team or new influences on your team.

It sounded like Floyd was trying to get rid of Tank's trainers to me.



And are you suggesting Floyd shoulda fired Roger after he couldn't make the proposed initial weight for the Juan Manuel Marquez fight? Cuz I'd disagree with getting rid of Roger just like I disagree with getting rid of Calvin Ford.

It's not enough to be pissed AFTER the fact. The stakes are to high in the fight game. Andre Ward said his team wouldn't let him say no to the Olympics. He says Virgil taught him more than just how to throw punches. Where is that leadership and guidance coming from for Tank?

Who Tank takes guidance from should be based on who Tank finds it in. You can't force that sh^t on someone like an overly aggressive step dad or some sh^t. And with all the beef Floyd & Tank keep having its definitely not going to be Floyd cuz that relationship is volatile. If they can work it out at some future date fair play, but its not sounding good right now.

Who let's him get drunk and high in between fights like it doesn't hurt him and won't affect his longevity in the business?

And thats on Tank if he's doing that sh^t all the time. You can't protect a mfer from himself 24/7/365. And you can't force yourself on a grown ass man like your his daddy instead of his promoter. You are f#cking up a guys' legacy & income by doing that bs so you aren't doing him no good cuz your true job is to just get a guy fights. He's contractually obligated to get Tank fights ffs. If Tank takes an L cuz he's being ****** thats on him & he'll probably end up better sooner in his life (& boxing career) if Floyd is actually trying to help the guy out & Floyd should be mature enough to know that.

And sh^t man like I said Floyd was like nah no Loma & then when the sh^t hit the fan he's talking about fighting Loma. Whats that about? He sitting him or trying to get Tank a L or he start believing in suddenly but only with Floyd as the trainer despite Floyd flying to Japan or Dubai or wherever every other week? Could Floyd even be in one place for 2 months to train a mfer in the first place?

[Ake-Dawg]

I'm a long time Mayweather fan. But he's no trainer. He can help you with that one thing I agree. But he's not gonna run a full camp in a professional way or in a way that will be to a lot of fighters liking. He's too into the camera. He's too into attention. He'd be like Freddie Roach on steroids as a trainer.



I got no doubt Floyd can help you with that one thing you need improving on. He can probably break it down better then any trainer could. I don't believe he's got the attention span to run a 6-8 week training camp doe.

There is a reason its rare for highly successful boxers to become highly successful trainers. They generally don't got the aptitude for it due to all the ego they've had to have as a boxer with everything focused on them for a couple decades. Most cats just can't wash that away & make everything about the boxer.



It sounded like Floyd was trying to get rid of Tank's trainers to me.



And are you suggesting Floyd shoulda fired Roger after he couldn't make the proposed initial weight for the Juan Manuel Marquez fight? Cuz I'd disagree with getting rid of Roger just like I disagree with getting rid of Calvin Ford.



Who Tank takes guidance from should be based on who Tank finds it in. You can't force that sh^t on someone like an overly aggressive step dad or some sh^t. And with all the beef Floyd & Tank keep having its definitely not going to be Floyd cuz that relationship is volatile. If they can work it out at some future date fair play, but its not sounding good right now.



And thats on Tank if he's doing that sh^t all the time. You can't protect a mfer from himself 24/7/365. And you can't force yourself on a grown ass man like your his daddy instead of his promoter. You are f#cking up a guys' legacy & income by doing that bs so you aren't doing him no good cuz your true job is to just get a guy fights. He's contractually obligated to get Tank fights ffs. If Tank takes an L cuz he's being ****** thats on him & he'll probably end up better sooner in his life (& boxing career) if Floyd is actually trying to help the guy out & Floyd should be mature enough to know that.

And sh^t man like I said Floyd was like nah no Loma & then when the sh^t hit the fan he's talking about fighting Loma. Whats that about? He sitting him or trying to get Tank a L or he start believing in suddenly but only with Floyd as the trainer despite Floyd flying to Japan or Dubai or wherever every other week? Could Floyd even be in one place for 2 months to train a mfer in the first place?

So let me get this straight, when did Floyd say, I'm gonna run your camp and work your corner? What makes you think Floyd wanted to do anything other than train/work him for that day. Yet you base all of this from a tweet from a fighter who clearly exudes bad judgment and immaturity. In the same interview he complains about matchmaking then later says they are moving him right...WTF?

Mayweather Promotion has invested a lot into Tank. Accordingly they trying to keep him from the trouble he keeps gettin into. He doing AB stuff and you see where that's gotten him. Underachieving! If he takes an L it's on him AND hurts his investors. Here is a kid talented enough to be a multimillionaire star, and Floyd supposed to sit back and watch him mess it up? At least they are trying to real him in. Not like his current team doing a better job at it.

[DaBeastO]

From a pure boxing perspective, how is Mayweather not the model fighter. Discipline and focus. Doesn't drink or do drugs. Constantly in shape. Constantly training and honing the craft. Studies opponents. Seems like people don't understand that Money Mayweather is the persona and that's where it ends.

froid isnt a good example. eats lots of junk food and we know how davis gets really fat that's not good. hangs out at strip clubs which are bad environments. trouble still seems to follow him his group got shot at and one of his body guards got hit recently. Stop being a fanboy. wake up and smell the coffee.

[billeau2]

From a pure boxing perspective, how is Mayweather not the model fighter. Discipline and focus. Doesn't drink or do drugs. Constantly in shape. Constantly training and honing the craft. Studies opponents. Seems like people don't understand that Money Mayweather is the persona and that's where it ends.

Mayweather does not act like a mature adult. there is a considerable possibility...I don't pretend to know with Tank, that he comes from a single parent household and has never seen how an emotionally mature man handles his business. I bounced in the type of clubs these guys go to...they are accidents waiting to happen, and since when does a guy have to go to strip clubs? I mean meet a pretty lady, play the field...that is an immature way to interact with the opposite sex. And i will say this again, I know the game my wife was a stripper.

Mayweather also has no interest in these guys...Really he doesn't, no promoter does. they are all means to an end. If he cared he would have Davis in fights. That kid should be fighting

[billeau2]

I'm a long time Mayweather fan. But he's no trainer. He can help you with that one thing I agree. But he's not gonna run a full camp in a professional way or in a way that will be to a lot of fighters liking. He's too into the camera. He's too into attention. He'd be like Freddie Roach on steroids as a trainer.



I got no doubt Floyd can help you with that one thing you need improving on. He can probably break it down better then any trainer could. I don't believe he's got the attention span to run a 6-8 week training camp doe.

There is a reason its rare for highly successful boxers to become highly successful trainers. They generally don't got the aptitude for it due to all the ego they've had to have as a boxer with everything focused on them for a couple decades. Most cats just can't wash that away & make everything about the boxer.



It sounded like Floyd was trying to get rid of Tank's trainers to me.



And are you suggesting Floyd shoulda fired Roger after he couldn't make the proposed initial weight for the Juan Manuel Marquez fight? Cuz I'd disagree with getting rid of Roger just like I disagree with getting rid of Calvin Ford.



Who Tank takes guidance from should be based on who Tank finds it in. You can't force that sh^t on someone like an overly aggressive step dad or some sh^t. And with all the beef Floyd & Tank keep having its definitely not going to be Floyd cuz that relationship is volatile. If they can work it out at some future date fair play, but its not sounding good right now.



And thats on Tank if he's doing that sh^t all the time. You can't protect a mfer from himself 24/7/365. And you can't force yourself on a grown ass man like your his daddy instead of his promoter. You are f#cking up a guys' legacy & income by doing that bs so you aren't doing him no good cuz your true job is to just get a guy fights. He's contractually obligated to get Tank fights ffs. If Tank takes an L cuz he's being ****** thats on him & he'll probably end up better sooner in his life (& boxing career) if Floyd is actually trying to help the guy out & Floyd should be mature enough to know that.

And sh^t man like I said Floyd was like nah no Loma & then when the sh^t hit the fan he's talking about fighting Loma. Whats that about? He sitting him or trying to get Tank a L or he start believing in suddenly but only with Floyd as the trainer despite Floyd flying to Japan or Dubai or wherever every other week? Could Floyd even be in one place for 2 months to train a mfer in the first place?

I never thought much, from a trainer, coach perspective, of Floyd's father. I find him to be inauthentic, and like Floyd, ego driven to the extreme. On the other hand, Roger Mayweather I miss terribly. I found his insights and ability as a handler to be natural and brilliant. Roger Mayweather reminded me a lot of one of my sports heroes as a kid...Billy Martin. Both men were gruff and ready to fight at the drop of a hat. Both men knew their game inside and out and were hard nosed, scrappy and intelligent. Billy Martin was an alcoholic, mecurial nightmare for Steinbrenner when he was with the yankees, but would stop and sign an autograph for a kid anytime.

[Eff Pandas]

So let me get this straight, when did Floyd say, I'm gonna run your camp and work your corner?

Man I hate when cats trying to make me do homework in a discussion lol.

I'll have to dig around for the most exact sh^t cuz that one tweet is the most cited & easiest thing to find about this, but Floyd told Tank not to bring his trainers to the start of his training camp.

What does that mean if not that his trainers aren't going to be involved. And I think any fighters who's gotten to the point Tank has would be like "wtf you talking about" with some sh^t like that.

So it seems obvious Floyd was trying to push out his trainers. I'll have to dig around about the Floyd sh^t specifically, but if it wasn't going to be Floyd it was going to be someone new & it wasn't a decision Tank was on board with & if anyone needs to be okay with a trainer it needs to be the fighter.

Mayweather Promotion has invested a lot into Tank. Accordingly they trying to keep him from the trouble he keeps gettin into. He doing AB stuff and you see where that's gotten him. Underachieving! If he takes an L it's on him AND hurts his investors. Here is a kid talented enough to be a multimillionaire star, and Floyd supposed to sit back and watch him mess it up? At least they are trying to real him in. Not like his current team doing a better job at it.

You can't protect a guy from himself doe like I'm saying. Floyd is with Tank to do a job not to be his daddy. Floyd's job is to get Tank fights since Tank is a professional boxer & Floyd is a promoter. If Floyd doesn't get Tank a certain number of fights per year or within a certain period of time he'll be in breach of his deal with Tank. Tank's job is to fight for Mayweather Promotions not to listen to Floyd.

Right or wrong moves being made thats the reality. And thats not saying Tank is making the wrong moves or is making the right moves cuz idk what he's doing all day long.

To me this is a Floyd being petty thing cuz I've seen how Floyd has dealt with guys in the past who weren't just happy for Floyd to be talking to them.

I remember when Weston Ferguson, Floyd's first "prodigy" was around, & he had to move out to Vegas & had to drop his long time trainer (who was Manny Steward ffs) & blah blah blah & all that type of weirdo control sh^t & that didn't work out for Weston's best benefit in this sport cuz I bet 90% of the people reading this got no clue who tf Weston is or that he was Floyd's first "future of boxing" guy. .

So I think fighters need to make their own calls for their team just like Floyd made his own calls during his career.

[Eff Pandas]

I never thought much, from a trainer, coach perspective, of Floyd's father. I find him to be inauthentic, and like Floyd, ego driven to the extreme. On the other hand, Roger Mayweather I miss terribly. I found his insights and ability as a handler to be natural and brilliant. Roger Mayweather reminded me a lot of one of my sports heroes as a kid...Billy Martin. Both men were gruff and ready to fight at the drop of a hat. Both men knew their game inside and out and were hard nosed, scrappy and intelligent. Billy Martin was an alcoholic, mecurial nightmare for Steinbrenner when he was with the yankees, but would stop and sign an autograph for a kid anytime.

Agree with your take completely here. Roger & Floyd seemed on some higher plain of existence with each other in the corner & in training. It was symbiotic I kinda wanna say.

I didn't see or feel that with Floyd & Floyd Sr. Too much ego in a room with those 2 in it, too much drama maybe to. Not to say Floyd Sr is a bad trainer, but I think Roger was better & specifically better for Floyd.

[billeau2]

So let me get this straight, when did Floyd say, I'm gonna run your camp and work your corner? What makes you think Floyd wanted to do anything other than train/work him for that day. Yet you base all of this from a tweet from a fighter who clearly exudes bad judgment and immaturity. In the same interview he complains about matchmaking then later says they are moving him right...WTF?

Mayweather Promotion has invested a lot into Tank. Accordingly they trying to keep him from the trouble he keeps gettin into. He doing AB stuff and you see where that's gotten him. Underachieving! If he takes an L it's on him AND hurts his investors. Here is a kid talented enough to be a multimillionaire star, and Floyd supposed to sit back and watch him mess it up? At least they are trying to real him in. Not like his current team doing a better job at it.

You know this post and the whole thread of back and fourth is sobering. I don't know how old you are, but assuming you are older than 30, and a man... You look at this s a problem of obligation, of money. Thats why society is **** lol. Men think acting like men is an obligation, something to get paid for...floyd doesn't need the money! he doesn't do anything with his time but stroke his ego, why shouldn't he grow up and act like an adult, take a real interest in these kids?

its not about the money. Your absolutely correct about AB and Tank's judgement. and if Floyd with his credability showed the slightest bit of concern...not like he is protecting an investment but like an adult trying to talk to a kid...Tank would respond.

I taught High school and had a bunch of "Tanks" in my class, and as a white male was able to be loved and respected because they saw that regardless of differences I really gave a **** about them, and I did. Floyd doesn't give two ****s about tank and tank knows it, acts out, and goes to someone who will give him attention...broner. LOl its a sad situation when you have to give a man a buck to be a man, but thats all these guys care about.