Arum: Showtime will leave boxing within the next year

[KTFOKING]

I also mentioned sport, and used that to reply simply to dazed sarcastically stating that showtimes monitoring of viewed programming translated to the percentages spoken of, which they dont.





Then Dazed misquoted , which is what i picked up on and what is being argued. This what dazed posted..

According to Espinoza, half of their new subscribers like boxing and 30% signed up for specifically for that reason.


If that didnt happen, then im correct in stating theres no way of them knowing it.

Yes, the survey or whatever they were using to compile the data would have to specifically state, "is boxing the biggest reason you signed up for SHO?" And in that case you can state "x" amount of subscribers from our findings come strictly from boxing.

But the data SHO has compiled puts boxing in a favorable light for their network. Almost 30% of the subscribers say boxing is "very important" to them and over 50% say it is "important" to them. With that type of data, it doesn't really make sense for them to leave within a year as Arum has stated. And it isn't like boxing is using up a big portion of their budget. If it is $60-65 million, in the long run that is nothing compared to how much SHO spends a year on other programming.

[IMDAZED]

Well considering my post above shows your direct misquote of espinoza, and it only strengthens my position in this debate about them having no way of knowing the INCORRECT data you stated he quoted, i would say this piece of **** just proved he knew more than you.

my original argument included there being no way of them knowing that 30% signed up specifically for boxing. You quoted him as saying just that... and he never did, because he cant, because there's no way of him knowing that.. because it simply, isnt true...

now **** off you melt

Oh you saw quotes? Marks and all?

[yammy25]

Yes, the survey or whatever they were using to compile the data would have to specifically state, "is boxing the biggest reason you signed up for SHO?" And in that case you can state "x" amount of subscribers from our findings come strictly from boxing.

But the data SHO has compiled puts boxing in a favorable light for their network. Almost 30% of the subscribers say boxing is "very important" to them and over 50% say it is "important" to them. With that type of data, it doesn't really make sense for them to leave within a year as Arum has stated. And it isn't like boxing is using up a big portion of their budget. If it is $60-65 million, in the long run that is nothing compared to how much SHO spends a year on other programming.

I for one want showtime to stay, because even as a UK resident, i watch the PBC shows and i enjoy boxing stateside with the large level of network competition you have.

I think showtime, ESPN and ( not that it matters because i have SKY whom they partner ) DAZN are creating a healthy competition and thriving the sport again.

I just dont enjoy people spouting off what that pedophile mr potato-head looking prick Espinoza says as gospel, or in this case directly misquoting something and running with it simply because of PBC,SHOWTIME and Haymon fanboyism when i know if Hearn or Arum said a sample directly translated to a gross as fact, theyd chew them to bits

[yammy25]

Oh you saw quotes? Marks and all?

did you or did you not say... according to espinoza 30% signed up specifically for boxing ?

Thats your post, stand by it you pu55y.

Thats you being wrong, or espinoza being wrong. we know now, that its you misquoting to bolster your argument, and being wrong.

own it... embrace it. Its good to be brought back down from your plinth sometimes.

[Robbie Barrett]

If boxing was "very important" for 30% of Showtime subs wouldn't the viewing figures be A LOT higher?

Paying millions for fights and not cracking 1 mil views will make Showtime quit boxing eventually.

[New England]

Who is running these lot out of boxing? Isn't boxing lucrative anymore or am i missing something here.

most of the broke ass clowns on nsb stream ppv, many of them don't pay premium TV prices and stream showtime and streamed hbo, too.

hbo flat out said it, boxing fans are not subscribing.


who is running them out of boxing? we are. the market and their customers. TV is going to be a thing of the past in 10 years. it makes no sense at all to let somebody else dictate what you watch, when, and make you watch 15 minutes of commercials and promotions out of 60 minutes of programming.


i'll miss the production quality, but i am excited to see boxing start to move on from HBO and an exclusively paid for model. arum is dead wrong about showtime bowing out, they will be taking over in the next five years. these guys can break even all year, it doens't matter if you put on 2-3 major ppv a year and they sell a million + buys at $80 a pop.

[Pigeons]

Bruh just stop. You don't understand PROBABILITY and polling.

This was a survey

I'm a Showtime subscriber. I didn't receive the survey.

[Pigeons]

I will explain this to you again for the hundredth time.

HBO was artificially propping up their Nielsen numbers for boxing while Showtime has done the exact opposite.

Just because you don't have access to the true numbers doesn't mean it isn't very obvious that Showtime is thrilled with the true numbers.

Even though I've explained this a hundred times, I'll explain it again.


HBO refused to show their fights live on HBO GO and HBO NOW. That's because they only wanted you watching the fights in ways that would be counted by the Nielsen number. Showtime couldn't care less about the public number Pigeons sees and only cares about the real number. That's why Showtime allows their fights to be watched live on Showtime Anytime and on the Showtime app.


HBO refused to show their fights on HBO GO and HBO NOW for an additional 72 hours before finally uploading them on Tuesdays. That's because they only wanted you watching the fights in ways that would be counted by the Nielsen number. Showtime couldn't care less about the public number Pigeons sees and only cares about the real number. That's why Showtime allows their fights to be watched on demand almost instantly on Showtime Anytime and on the Showtime app.


HBO refused to show their broadcasts in their entirety on HBO GO and HBO NOW. That's because they only wanted you watching the fights in ways that would be counted by the Nielsen number. Showtime couldn't care less about the public number Pigeons sees and only cares about the real number. That's why Showtime allows their entire broadcasts on Showtime Anytime and on the Showtime app.


HBO refused to show replays the night of the fight. That's because they only wanted you watching the fights in ways that would be counted by the Nielsen number. Showtime couldn't care less about the public number Pigeons sees and only cares about the real number. That's why Showtime has multiple airings on fight night, even if doing so discourages people from watching the airing counted by Nielsen.

Were you able to reach out to the WBA president to get his opinion on the proliferation of world titles in boxing? I'm still waiting...

[champion4ever]

The writing was on the wall for HBO for years. I'm not sure what wall Bob is looking at to make this prediction. I'm definitely not seeing anything with Showtime that has me believing they are 12 months or less for boxing.

This seems like some wishful thinking more than sh^t talking on Bob's part. It'd make his life just a lil easier if Showtime was gone.

He's only saying it because Showtime is a competitor of ESPN's. He would love to see Showtime fold so his platform could help monopolize the sport.

[IMDAZED]

did you or did you not say... according to espinoza 30% signed up specifically for boxing ?

Thats your post, stand by it you pu55y.

Thats you being wrong, or espinoza being wrong. we know now, that its you misquoting to bolster your argument, and being wrong.

own it... embrace it. Its good to be brought back down from your plinth sometimes.

Of course I stand by what I posted. While you try to figure out whether or not they do it via survey.