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  • R-Hand Southpaw
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    #71
    Originally posted by NearHypnos
    How does the Mikey thing make sense? Canelo opted to fight Cotto..no one would fight GGG over Cotto. Cotto is a huge name on the resume along with a great event that people wanted. Fighting a way bigger name who holds the wbc AND lineal title? Yeah... no brainer..He gave us the gift of showing us the moment Khan went to Narnia. Show some gratitude. Everyone in Mexico has ALWAYS wanted to see Canelo fight Jr and the longer time passes, the less likely that fight would have ever happened. I think he fought Liam before Jr at 54 which I didn’t particularly mind. Seemed to have made weight easy and just went to show he was still the best at 54. Then he FOUGHT GGG.

    Mikey hasnt even gotten close to 147...let alone being the best at 140 or trying to be. Mikey is a 35 pounder and he can say hed like to fight Canelo but it doesnt mean he’d be in a hurry to. He’d be a ****** to do it.
    The mikey think doesnt make sense and he was mocking the other guys point. Duh.

    Canelo opted to fight Cotto because he was the "bigger name". That's the point. Instead of fighting the best the dude, he literally cherry picked a fight against an older cotto and weight bullied him. To "make his resume look better". Picked the "money fight".

    You know how you know GGG is better than Cotto? Because cotto wouldn't even TOUCH anything to do with GGG. He chose Canelo over GGG because it was simply a safer fight.

    No one would fight GGG over Cotto. No ****. GGG is the better fighter.

    Canelo literally vacated belts to avoid GGG.

    Canelo fought Khan who came up TWO weight classes.

    He fought a drained asf Jr in his twilight years.

    And literally he barely survived 2 fights with GGG who is near the end of his career.

    A guy in his prime losing to a guy near the end of his career and hes somehow this great boxer who is "better".

    Prime GGG vs Prime Canelo and GGG takes it easy. Anyone who acts like GGG hasnt slowed down is full of **** but even at 70-80% his prime hes good enough to beat Canelo.

    And Mikey Garcia name dropping Canelo? TYPICAL. Another hype fighter. Mexican boxer mikey Garcia fights tomato cans and hes p4p. But the same people talks **** about GGG and his tomato cans lmfao.

    Hmmm. Is this a race thing?🤔🤔🤔

    Canelo is Mexican. Mikey is Mexican. Hmmm.

    GGG always wanted Canelo. Did Canelo want GGG? Nah. Instead he opts to take money fights against big name fighters out of their prime at the end of their careers to build his resume.

    Does Mikey want Lomachenko? Nah. Uses past dispute with Top Rank to duck. Calls out everyone, even canelo? Lmfao. And who does he fight? Tomato cans.

    Like who the **** is Lipinets? Couldnt even knock a no name paper champ out and didnt look good doing it. But he thinks hes gonna jump to 147 for spence and 160 for canelo?

    Spence in 3 rounds. Canelo in 1.

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    • Diego Rodriguez
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      #72
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      LOL at "Zeuge being a better win then most of the 160 guys have". Idek what to say to that except B+ troll post.



      Well it is a young up & coming guy division. Its not an uncompelling division. Its just that Canelo isn't fighting a compelling fight there is the thing. Canelo vs Ramirez is compelling. Canelo vs Jose U is compelling. Canelo vs Benavidez would probably have me attending the fight live. Thing is there are still more compelling fights at 160 vs more established, more proven, more threatening guys. Canelo vs GGG III. Canelo vs Charlo. Canelo vs the BJS/Andrade winner. Canelo vs the Jacobs/Derevyanchenko winner.



      If this fight was that dangerous Canelo wouldn't be taking it 3 months after the GGG fight. It feels a step below the proposed Lemieux fight to most cats I'm seeing talking about both of those fights.

      Its also unknown if this will be a 168lb fight. I think its completely possible this will be a catchweight fight at 163 or 165 or some sorta catchweight.
      I think this is an excellent post. All that said, I don't have one problem with Canelo taking this fight. I care what he does after.

      All you need to know about what they think of Fielding is like you said, they are taking this about three months after a really tough fight. This guy doesn't even look on Lemieux's level and I think David is a solid gate keeper fighter but no where near top level.

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      • boliodogs
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        #73
        Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
        Some people talk it


        And some people walk it

        Are you saying the guy Canelo is fighting is as good as Ward. If you are that's a ****** thing to say. It's a good fight for Canelo but his is fighting by far the weakest 168 pound champ. He could be fighting the other 168 pound champion who knocked Fielding out if he wanted to fight the best at 168. GGG could not possibly have fought Ward because he already had a legal binding contract to fight Lemieux. By the time he KOed Lemieux Ward had already moved to 175 which ain't 168. Check Ward's record and get your facts right. You don't know what you are talking about.

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          #74
          Originally posted by boliodogs
          Are you saying the guy Canelo is fighting is as good as Ward. If you are that's a ****** thing to say. It's a good fight for Canelo but his is fighting by far the weakest 168 pound champ. He could be fighting the other 168 pound champion who knocked Fielding out if he wanted to fight the best at 168. GGG could not possibly have fought Ward because he already had a legal binding contract to fight Lemieux. By the time he KOed Lemieux Ward had already moved to 175 which ain't 168. Check Ward's record and get your facts right. You don't know what you are talking about.
          If I was saying that you wouldn't have to ask if I'm saying that. So you already know the answer

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          • NearHypnos
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            #75
            Originally posted by Diego Rodriguez
            Not bad advice.

            No I do not believe the WBA Interim belt is a a major title.

            Here's the interim title holders:

            HW
            Manuel Charr (sorry I have not a clue who this guy is, not even on the top 10 Ring rating)
            Cruiserweight
            Beirut Shumenov (also not in Ring top 10)

            Just go down the list and it is more of the same. Murata is on there too, I'm not saying Golovkin won a significant MW title if he beats Murata.

            The best fighter on there is Pac . . . and no on in their right mind believes Pac holds a major belt right now at 147lbs.
            You’re half right. I get what you mean but Fielding technically holds the full WBA belt. The WBA has a separate interem.

            Now, the issue is that the WBA has a “super champion” which shouldnt exist if there’s no current super champion and there is a regular holder of the title. This all split due to Felix Sturm.

            Now, there was already an interem title at this time which essentially turned into the regular title (as it should have) and it should have ended there. Buuut, the WBA decided to hold a super title fight with the guy who had just been KOd by the super champion (Sturm). There was NO Super champion despite there being a regular/interem after Sturm vacated. They just let Groves randomly fight for it against a non title holder (the guy Sturm stopped for it).

            So basically, that title was handed to Groves who did not have a major title at the time nor any merit to the super title status OR fight. This all goes further to Andre Ward who had vacated.

            So, rightfully, the interem champ should have actually been converted to regular and have been fighting for the vacant “super” belt. This was just the WBA pulling shenanigans.

            Basically, in this case, the WBA regular champ is legit...you could even say more legit than the current super champion. Now, Callum holds the title and as a fighter he is most def deserving of it over Fielding buuut...that title shouldnt have forked in that direction as there was already a champ.
            Last edited by NearHypnos; 10-06-2018, 08:28 AM.

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            • bigdunny1
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              #76
              I love the little phuk you canelo is giving to GGG on this one. Exposing GGG for lying to the fans for over half a decade with 154 or 168. Canelo after just 2 fights at 160 is moving up to 168 before GGG oh the irony. One more way GGG is a fraud and canelo is the real deal has taken real risks fought multiple boogymen in multiple weight classes. Has gone up and down in weight to make big fights. While GGG cries and begs and never moves weight while stockpiling bums on his resume. How can you complain about canelo moving up to 168 and fighting a universally top 10 ranked 168lber when GGG just dragged a career 154lb coming off a loss, 2 yr retirement, not even top 20 ranked at 154 and has just 1 win in the last 4 years bum Vanes? LMAO

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              • Cutthroat
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                #77
                Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                LOL at "Zeuge being a better win then most of the 160 guys have". Idek what to say to that except B+ troll post.



                Well it is a young up & coming guy division. Its not an uncompelling division. Its just that Canelo isn't fighting a compelling fight there is the thing. Canelo vs Ramirez is compelling. Canelo vs Jose U is compelling. Canelo vs Benavidez would probably have me attending the fight live. Thing is there are still more compelling fights at 160 vs more established, more proven, more threatening guys. Canelo vs GGG III. Canelo vs Charlo. Canelo vs the BJS/Andrade winner. Canelo vs the Jacobs/Derevyanchenko winner.



                If this fight was that dangerous Canelo wouldn't be taking it 3 months after the GGG fight. It feels a step below the proposed Lemieux fight to most cats I'm seeing talking about both of those fights.

                Its also unknown if this will be a 168lb fight. I think its completely possible this will be a catchweight fight at 163 or 165 or some sorta catchweight.
                Zeuge is a top level German/Euro fighter comparable to other German fighters like Culcay, Zbik, Stieglitz, and older versions of Sturm/Abraham, all of who have either beaten top middles or come close to beating them.

                Sulecki has no names on his resume and he was able to push the #3 MW, Jacobs to his limit. After that DJ's best win was Qullin who should've lost to Lee followed by Mora.

                Culcay has no names on his record and took Andrade to a close SD even hurting him, hurt Sulecki as well.

                etc.

                Like I said, Murray, Eubank Jr. Curtis Stevens, Chavez Jr., Rob Brant, etc. all failed to make any noise at 168.

                I consider Fielding a much more dangerous bout than Lemieux.

                Lemieux had his power walked through at 154 by Rubio & a shot Alcine. He performed extremely poorly against BJS compared to Akavov. He was getting countered repeatedly & rocked by Rios, an Argentinian journeyman with a 30% KO ratio & 10 losses. etc.

                If it's at a catch weight then that does lessen some of the danger but still this is a pretty big risk Canelo is taking, Lemieux would've been far easier.

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                • Eff Pandas
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Cutthroat
                  I consider Fielding a much more dangerous bout than Lemieux.
                  I think you're in the minority with that stance. And thats saying somerthing cuz most weren't all that excited about Lemieux.

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                    #79
                    He needs to fight Andre Ward or he's a coward like Golovkin.

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                    • Johnny2x2x
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                      #80
                      GGG fans are hilarious. Fielding is a better test than the guy GGG fought this Spring.

                      Canelo is trolling GGG and his fans with this.

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