Comments Thread For: Promoter: I Just Don't See Anthony Joshua Beating Jarrell Miller

[uppercut510]

Not true. The Povetkin fight handled Joshua's WBA mandatory fight.

Pulev is fighting Hughie Fury for the IBF mandatory after Miller passed.

BUT the WBO is the next mandatory Joshua's going to face. They haven't declared who mandatory is.

So if Miller had fought Pulev, he'd still have to wait for Joshua to fight his WBO mandatory and Wilder (if it happens), so the fight wouldn't happen until 2020, maybe December 2019 at the earliest.

ok thanks a lot bro... im seeing that "miller ruined his Joshua shot by pulling out of pulev fight" alot

[PotentialToast]

Miller hasn't fought any current 10 top from BoxRec, TBRB, The Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO and IBO.

[Marchegiano]

You need to beat someone with substance to get a title shot. Chisora beat Helenius, Whyte beat Parker.

Why, who else should Miller beat to get a shot? Unless of course you think he's done enough already by beating bums who are all shot to pieces?

Letter belts and automatic positioning I reckon.

Whyte's an easy one because Whyte has no WBA letter belt, so Whyte has no automatic ranking claim. In the WBC he has plenty, in the WBO he picked up one, but as far as the IBF and WBA are concerned his being a top ten 100% based off his performance and the ranking of who he fought. Meaning no matter how much the folks at the WBA want to rank Whyte higher they're stuck by their own rules. I believe Whyte's about as high as he can be without a lesser belt in the WBA.

Ranks 1 is Trevor, he has a WBA belt guaranteeing a ranking.

Rank 2 is Miller who picked up NABA years prior to Trevor.

Rank 3 Fres, has yet to be given a fair fight for his position and can't be removed without a loss or retirement.

Rank 4 is Whyte. ....really nothing to ***** about. Whyte might have impressed you more than Miller has but he's done nothing to get his name in the mix of guaranteed ranks.

Rank 5 is Chisora who really ought to be higher than Whyte given he just picked up a WBA lesser belt. This shows how fair the WBA actually is to Whyte. Chisora is ranked the lowest his belt will allow.

Any of them ought to be viable options for Fres. They earned their spots.

[Sickmerch1990]

Fucing casuals

Do some research; it’s Oquando’s title shot. Doesn’t matter how inactive he is. If Miller turns it down, Oquando fights someone else for it. Doesn’t matter if you agree with it or not.

Research on a fighter I would knock the fk out nah both sh it wouldn't last a few rounds with the
GREAT brits we run the show

[Sickmerch1990]

MIller has turned down fights against chisora and whyte.

didn't know that probably doing a wilder fighting 40 tin cans before he steps up

[billeau2]

Being in the top 10 should be done on merit, not hype. Miller has fought nobody to speak of.

Washington is a nobody that hasn't even beat a decent fighter. A win over him means absolutely nothing.

When did Miller come close to proving he had a beard? He's never fought anyone who punched back. And even if they did, they were all pretty much light hitters.

I think you should beat someone with a bit of substance before you get a world title shot. Sorry, but beating shot fighters doesn't do it for me.

Washington is a decent journeyman fighter. He put up a good fight against wilder, was winning on the cards. Miller has taken punches well, the world beaters are not exactly great fighters yet either. I mean these guys need to fight someone lol, if not each other, then you fight an up and comer now and then.

[Sid-Knee]

Why do you always do that? Every time there is a potential threat to AJ you always say they are an unworthy challenger or unworthy of a title shot. However, Jarrell Miller is currently ranked no. 4 for Joshua's WBA title and ranked no. 3 for his WBO title. So how do you explain that?

Miller is not a threat. Sort yourself out.

You can get high rankings for titles even if you haven't done anything. Just look how Wilder got his shot. But anyway, this doesn't actually disprove Miller only fighting bums. So you wasted your time.

[Sid-Knee]

I got the same top 3, Joshua, Wilder & Whyte. Been unimpressed with Whyte, thought he lost to Del Boy, but that Parker W was nice & is his career defining W so far.

I don't do a hard ranking of guys outside of the top 5 usually, but considering that Povetkin just took an L & doesn't have THAT impressive of recent resume (Price, Hammer & the best two guys are the same guys Big Baby has just beaten) I consider him 5ish.

Parker I consider a bottom top 10 guy after two L's & nothing to really get excited about unless you go back to his title winning performance vs Ruiz & that isn't THAT impressive.

Pulev hasn't fought in a year & a half so I don't even rank him.

Ortiz I got in that 5ish area to cuz while he doesn't got a career defining win like Whyte didn't have til recently himself he showed a lot in his L not unlike Whyte did vs Joshua to some people.

Kabayel I can't even put into my top 10 off of the Del Boy W.

Del Boy is barely in the top 10 probably despite the Kabayel L due to that Takam W & what I feel was a close unofficial W or close official L (depending on how you viewed it) over Whyte.

And yea I could see Breazeale, Kownacki & Fury fighting for the bottom of the top ten spots.

And as for Big Baby as I said I think he's in that 5ish range off of the same 2 W's that are Povetkin's best W's in recent years over Wach & Duhaupas + the Washington W.

So putting those thoughts in a actual 1-10 ranking I think my HW top 10 would be:

1)Joshua - lock at #1
2)Wilder - lock at #2
3)Whyte - lock at #3
4)Ortiz - wouldn't argue very hard with 4-6 being in any order
5)Big Baby - wouldn't argue with very hard 4-6 being in any order
6)Povetkin - wouldn't argue very hard with 4-6 being in any order
7)Fury - wouldn't argue very hard with 7-10 being in any order
8)Parker - wouldn't argue very hard with 7-10 being in any order
9)Kownacki - wouldn't argue very hard with 7-10 being in any order
10)Breazeale - wouldn't argue very hard with 7-10 being in any order

And I guess that'd leave Del Boy at 11, but I wouldn't fault anyone for having him in the bottom of the top 10.

Then we'll just have to disagree. Miller isn't in my top 10. Losing to much better fighters doesn't allow Miller to place over them when all he's doing is fighting bums who are actually shot to pieces. The only one who wasn't was Washington. But the less said about the football player the better.

[Sid-Knee]

Washington is a decent journeyman fighter. He put up a good fight against wilder, was winning on the cards. Miller has taken punches well, the world beaters are not exactly great fighters yet either. I mean these guys need to fight someone lol, if not each other, then you fight an up and comer now and then.

Washington is not even decent. He's a former football player who came into boxing late so I understand that. But a win over him is meaningless.

That doesn't get you into the top 10. Not even close.

Washington was winning on the cards at the time of stoppage against Wilder because Wilder is so poor. It's not because Washington is so good.

I'm not surprised Miller has taken those punches well, none of them could punch for toffee. If he were to be hurt by them i'd advise him to look for another profession.

[billeau2]

Washington is not even decent. He's a former football player who came into boxing late so I understand that. But a win over him is meaningless.

That doesn't get you into the top 10. Not even close.

Washington was winning on the cards at the time of stoppage against Wilder because Wilder is so poor. It's not because Washington is so good.

I'm not surprised Miller has taken those punches well, none of them could punch for toffee. If he were to be hurt by them i'd advise him to look for another profession.

Your contradicting yourself. Thats my point, that the standards as a whole are relevant. Wilder is a top guy right now. MIller has history as a kick boxer also and has whiskers.

What do you think that these guys come up are world beaters in a few years and every one lives happily ever after in boxing land? Who is going to give guys good fights? and one can only fight the people who are around to fight.

Washington actually has some skills, most fighters today are athletes and not fighters in the sense that they were committed to boxing from a young age. Wilder was a Bballer, AJ came up but was not into boxing as a youth.... The exceptions are actually Miller who has history as a fighter before boxing, and Fury who was brought up fighting. And both guys move well, Fury moves very well and has skills because of that...something alot of people here don't get.

Its the new paradigm. In the early days the cross overs, guys like too tall Jones for example, did not get far as boxers. The guys were too strong and had been fighters from the get go so ex footballers, etc could not compete. Today? these guys can compete because the division is not that strong.

Finally your opinion of Washington is misinformed. Its simple: watch him in the ring and take inventory: He moves relatively well, especially for being 250 plus, he is in shape, has a good jab, combo punches fairly well, with decent hand speed for a heavy weight, he has some defensive skills, I mean no he isn't going to be the champ tomorrow but the guy has skills that can be empircally validated. Also he was never down until Wilder and even with Miller is corner threw in the towel.