Comments Thread For: BoxingScene.com's Pound For Pound Update - October 1
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Bud the worst resume in the top 5.
He’s also never climbed in the ring against a p4p talent.
Also not the best fighter in his division until he proves it
Hell, GGG has shown more skill than Bud as he’s showcased it against an elite p4p fighter...
Its not that bud isnt a p4p guy, it’s that there’s no justifying it (#1) with just “he has crazy skills.” Gotta beat p4p guys or reign with absolute impunity for years to the point you shut divisions down
GGG looked like Hercules against similar type of comp.
Once Bud shows those crazy skills vs any elite fighter, thats when it matters.
Only way Canelo isnt number 1 is if Andre Ward was around.
Its not what we think you can do..its what you actually do.
Just ask Amir Khan.Last edited by NearHypnos; 10-02-2018, 11:35 AM.Comment
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Khan is a natural welterweight , period.Khan fought below 140 for the vast majority of his career. He even got knocked out at both 135 and 140...
Rigo was a P4P fighter, undefeated, unbeaten, and many dumb**** fans claimed Loma was ducking (or that Arum wouldn't make the fight), and a career 122 lber. Khan wasn't a P4P and was much smaller than the now full fledged 160lber Canelo.
Walters dominated Donaire and stopped him. 4-years later, Frampton couldn't stop him and won by a decent decision. No other fighter has ever stopped Donaire. Walters was highly rated back in the day before his "No Mas". He easily KO'd Vic and dominated Sosa in his first fight at 130.
You can **** talk Sosa all you want, but it doesn't change the fact he stopped Fortuna which is a good win and earns him more credit than you give.
Linares had not lost in 6 years, 13 fights. He has always been seen as the #1-2 fighter at 135 when people were calling Mikey to fight him.
You got nothing bad to say about Russell Jr., good.
Now let's talk about Canelo.
Lara and the 2x Golovkin fights were controversial.
Cotto was old, shot, and not a real middleweight. Hell, he lost to Sadam Ali...
Kirkland was nothing special. Post prison and not the same fighter.
And so forth...
What are YOU talking about?
Khan had more height and reach than Nelo, period.
Rigo was too small, he is a natural 115 or 118 pounds with 58 years old.
Walters did not do anything good, he destroyed a natural 122 pounds, a guy that fought in 115 pounds.
He was overrated, Period.
Linares ? 6 years without a L?
Yeah, because he fought a lot of bums.
Linares was K.Oed brutally by a lot of B classes.
Were closes wins by Canelo, and?
Lomachenko had a L in a close fight against Salido.
Hahaha.
A win is a win.
Duran vs Leonard I was too close.
Hagler vs Leonard too, and those were good wins.
Thats boxing and the high level.
Loma is great but you are being biased.
I'm objective,
Against Russell JR ir was a very good win. But Russell is inferior to Lara, GGG, and and old Cotto, maybe he is superior than Trout.Comment
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Solid post. There was no eye test doe before this hype job era. People ranked high p4p actually put in the work and fought elite competition. Tons have looked good against bums but get exposed when they fight better competition.Bud the worst resume in the top 5.
He’s also never climbed in the ring against a p4p talent.
Also not the best fighter in his division until he proves it
Hell, GGG has shown more skill than Bud as he’s showcased it against an elite p4p fighter...
Its not that bud isnt a p4p guy, it’s that there’s no justifying it (#1) with just “he has crazy skills.” Gotta beat p4p guys or reign with absolute impunity for years to the point you shut divisions down
GGG looked like Hercules against similar type of comp.
Once Bud shows those crazy skills vs any elite fighter, thats when it matters.
Only way Canelo isnt number 1 is if Andre Ward was around.
Its not what we think you can do..its what you actually do.
Just ask Amir Khan.Comment
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Exactly. I think Crawford is beyond the point of “he was exposed”. He is a legitimate stud/talent with some fair wins but when it all comes down to it and everyone is passing the eye test and gettins wins, you go with the quality of the wins.
There are only a few guys with the competition to rival a GGG win right now but until fights like that happen, we can’t really rate someone for something theyve not done.
Mikey vs Loma is an important P4p fight.
A Spence/Bud/Thurman gauntlet is one.
Not many others to be honest.
I mean if Usyk did some crazy s hit at HW thatd be worth it too.
I just think 1 should be reserved for the guys closest to number one fighting each other with the winner earning the top spots. If you cant get to number 1 by beating number one or something similar...than what’s the point?Comment
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