Comments Thread For: Duran: Canelo Deserves Respect, Treated Like a Gringo in Mexico

[mrpain81]

Canelo is one of the most popular boxers in the world let alone in Mexico, but in the age of social media it's impossible to be popular without having haters. The fact that he has so many of them is a testament to his success, because no one would be talking about him if he were irrelevant. I doubt he receives many negative reactions in person though.

Yup..

He's just had people saying he was nothing special for a decade now, hard for those guys to admit they were wrong for so long. The goal post keeps moving, no matter what he does that vocal minority will still whine and throw fits.

[Diego Rodriguez]

There are plusses and minuses. While Mexico may not treat him as a Mexican, if he weren't Mexican, he'd like have 2-3 more loses on his record.

I believe this too. He’s been a hell of a good fighter but yeah this is one case where being Mexican and having the fan support works in his favor.

No one will convince me if the roles were reversed with Golovkin he wouldn’t be 0-2.

[Diego Rodriguez]

I remember reading a article on Grantland years ago Profiling Canelo before the Canelo / Mayweather fight

And the writer brought up the hate that he receives in Mexico mostly because he’s viewed as a fighter that didn’t earn his position but got where he is because of his light skin , good looks and backing by certain media companies to be the heir of Mexican boxing without actually earning it

That’s why he’s not loved the same way Chavez or Marquez is because they earned their position Canelo was handed it and if your already not
A Canelo fan I’m sure him always getting generous scorecards and undeserving wins doesn’t help the cause

I’ve said this long ago, not on this site I believe. I think this fight in particular really helped break that perception. I think there was some validity to it, though I don’t blame Canelo. The way he fought has shut up anyone about that IMO. He was a warrior. I think he lost the fight but should have gained everyone’s respect.

I think that was the main factor for why he had some detractors. There may be some other reasons but I don’t think they were the main gripes.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Oh I see how it is, I’m speaking to a proverbial casual who somehow thinks he knows what’s boxing is all about!

Let me school you a bit shall I, there are 3 judges and they all score on the criteria of 4 different factors!

Those factors are as listed...

Defense

Ring generalship

Effective punches

Effective aggression

Canelo had the better defense obviously(I mean just look at his face, I guess common sense will tell that your defense will show by the end of the fight so take a look at Canelo’s and ggg’s and try not to fan over it too much ggg fanboy), he backed ggg majority of the fight so he had the more effective aggression!

His game plan was obviously to take the fight to ggg and keep it at phone booth or mid range but mainly on the inside which is what he did, Canelo was the boss in there and did what he wanted which is what ring generalship is!

You following kid?, ok, cool now ggg may have a case in effective punches cuz he’s a hard puncher and he had the 3 hardest punches in the entire fight but Canelo landed more power shots so it’s either you give it to the guy who landed the hardest shot of the nite or the guy who landed more of the harder shots of the nite!

I’ll be generous cuz to ggg cuz he did buzzed Canelo for a few secs and give him that!

So, out of the 4 scoring criteria’s to judge a fight you would give Canelo 3-1 or possibly even 4-0!

Ggg was not the boss in there, fighting off the back foot is not his game! He did well but it’s not his game plan as his own trainer said that the game plan was to fight Canelo or make him fight by coming forward but Canelo flipped the script and came forward and brought the fight to Golovkin who went on his bike which yes, it means go on your back foot and retreat to get more distance which is what Golovkin exactly did in couple of the rounds!

No matter what you ggg fanboys say, the truth is in the pudding and the fact is Golovkin’s own trainer said ggg derived from their game plan and said they were losing in the 7th and they needed the 12th and he said ggg gave up the 12th which I agree!

You don’t win fights by just jabs and landing one hard punch per round in the last 3 rounds!

If you were going out on a date with a nice looking woman who would you rather be post fight, Canelo or ggg? ��

See, common sense isn’t that common and your proving that for me right now, which is fine but it’s why I had to discipline you and school you on how to score fights properly!

This isn’t the amateurs where you simply land even touch shots then the guy who just touches or just simply lands wins, it’s about who controlled the fight and who did more damage and even Stevie Wonder could see that Canelo did what he wanted which was take the fight to ggg while displaying the superior defense and bodywork while landing more of the harder shots!

These are facts which is what the judges saw, don’t be mad cuz you thought you knew what you were talking about but I had to correct you!

Just be mad at hbo for leading you onto believe ggg won, only casuals believe what hbo commentators say like it’s gospel!

I recommend you find another sport to watch cuz this isn’t for you, maybe dodgeball or golf is more of your thing!

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I always find this type of post comical. You act like you’re the only one who knows boxing. I got no problem that you believe Canelo won but the level of arrogance here is astounding. What have you actually accomplished that makes you think guys like Lennox Lewis, James Toney or a whole hell of a lot of people who know boxing really don’t know crap? Overwhelmingly the numbers of ringside observers scored the fight a Golovkin win or draw. You know more than all of the right? GTFO!

Again everyone can make their case for who they thought but this was a great fight. Neither guy was dominant. This argument either way that someone doesn’t know boxing because they didn’t score it my way is trash thrown up mostly by people who are all experts working minimum wage jobs.

Some of things you said I don’t disagree with other stuff to me is borderline casual nonsense.

How did you score the fight out of curiosity? I mean the level of dominance Canelo displayed according to you, you got to have this 9-3 at minimum. Is that right kid?

[R_Walken]

I’ve said this long ago, not on this site I believe. I think this fight in particular really helped break that perception. I think there was some validity to it, though I don’t blame Canelo. The way he fought has shut up anyone about that IMO. He was a warrior. I think he lost the fight but should have gained everyone’s respect.

I think that was the main factor for why he had some detractors. There may be some other reasons but I don’t think they were the main gripes.

Agree

I’m the farthest thing from a Canelo fan but the mans a warrior he proved it this fight on how he Fought and should get nothing but props although he shouldn’t have got the decision but also in the fact through his entire career he chased the biggest threats ( Lara , Trout, Mayweather, Gennady ) when a fighter in his position being the $ man doesn’t necessarily need to do that

I mean you ddon’t not have to look any further then how AJ is handling his career

[A-Wolf]

With women much more so. I don’t think it is as strong with men.

Definitely though the darker your skin the more racism you we will see. Being light skin has clear advantages. Just turn on the TV and you will swear that the county is 90% white.

No question.

[A-Wolf]

There are plusses and minuses. While Mexico may not treat him as a Mexican, if he weren't Mexican, he'd like have 2-3 more loses on his record.

That's not him being Mexican that's him being with Golden Boy and Oscar buying him those wins. Period.

[KillaMane26]

Anytime i hear "gringo" i think of Red Dead redemption lol

[Squ□redCircle34]

I always find this type of post comical. You act like you’re the only one who knows boxing. I got no problem that you believe Canelo won but the level of arrogance here is astounding. What have you actually accomplished that makes you think guys like Lennox Lewis, James Toney or a whole hell of a lot of people who know boxing really don’t know crap? Overwhelmingly the numbers of ringside observers scored the fight a Golovkin win or draw. You know more than all of the right? GTFO!

Again everyone can make their case for who they thought but this was a great fight. Neither guy was dominant. This argument either way that someone doesn’t know boxing because they didn’t score it my way is trash thrown up mostly by people who are all experts working minimum wage jobs.

Some of things you said I don’t disagree with other stuff to me is borderline casual nonsense.

How did you score the fight out of curiosity? I mean the level of dominance Canelo displayed according to you, you got to have this 9-3 at minimum. Is that right kid?

Oh the irony, someone trying to check someone else on ego’s but have the audacity to assume ones a child cuz they’re simply correcting someone else!


These the type of people I love verbal sparring against cuz they’re major hypocrites, it’s almost sad!

I gave facts only who I thought won was my opinion, keep outta the way like a rolling barrel or keep it thorough!

He basically did the same by offering his opinion so I don’t see you being internet hall monitor warrior pseudo moderator over there! 🤔

Look I’m here for solid discussions about boxing, your judgements is misplaced and please let me guess, you think telling someone that there are 4 scoring criteria’s in a fight means that I’m arrogant but you telling someone else that they’re arrogant while nitpicking what they say isn’t from arrogance and negativity!?

Sorry to destroy your perception, there’s naive people on all levels of society!

[Diego Rodriguez]

Oh the irony, someone trying to check someone else on ego’s but have the audacity to assume ones a child cuz they’re simply correcting someone else!


These the type of people I love verbal sparring against cuz they’re major hypocrites, it’s almost sad!

I gave facts only who I thought won was my opinion, keep outta the way like a rolling barrel or keep it thorough!

He basically did the same by offering his opinion so I don’t see you being internet hall monitor warrior pseudo moderator over there! 🤔

Look I’m here for solid discussions about boxing, your judgements is misplaced and please let me guess, you think telling someone that there are 4 scoring criteria’s in a fight means that I’m arrogant but you telling someone else that they’re arrogant while nitpicking what they say isn’t from arrogance and negativity!?

Sorry to destroy your perception, there’s naive people on all levels of society!

I actually don't think you are a kid, just using your own crap on you or do you not remember your "You following kid?" comment.

No what is arrogant is:

"I’m speaking to a proverbial casual"

"common sense isn’t that common and your proving that for me right now, which is fine but it’s why I had to discipline you and school you on how to score fights properly!"

"These are facts which is what the judges saw, don’t be mad cuz you thought you knew what you were talking about but I had to correct you"

"Just be mad at hbo for leading you onto believe ggg won, only casuals believe what hbo commentators say like it’s gospel!"

Anyways you believe Canelo won and while I disagree I respect your perspective. And I'd hope that every person who doesn't agree with your perspective isn't some one who needs to be schooled by you on why they are wrong.