Comments Thread For: WBC Prez Clarifies Position on Banning Fathers as Trainers

[kafkod]

All I know for sure is there are more father as trainers for their son ring deaths & severe injuries then I would expect there to be. It very well could just be a statistical improbability as I said. Or there could be something there. I just think its something worth looking into. If there is any change or educating worth making to help alter this I think is to be decided.

But in general like, I've also said, I wouldn't be opposed to having a impartial 3rd party in the ring who's looking out for the fighter when his corner isn't cuz I've seen corners not looking out for their fighter too often. So I do think there are changes that could help prevent serious injuries or death regardless if your father trains you or not which should be a goal worthy of attempting in a sport as dangerous as boxing.

I haven't seen the statistics on death/injuries for boxers trained by their fathers, so I'll take your word on that. Like you say, anything that might make the sport safer should be loked into.

Statistically, boxing is alrady one of the safest of all sports. But I guess that's because a certain degree of injury is inevitable in a sport which involves highly trained athletes punching each other in the head for long periods. So most of the damage/injuries boxers pick up doesn't even get reported and logged, as it would be in other sports.

And of course, the real danger for boxers - cumulative brain damage - is invisible and often doesn't manifest till years after they hang up their gloves.

Like I said, statistics can be misleading.

[DuckAdonis]

How about papachenko??

The WBC and Sulaiman can suck a ***!

****ing trash rule

[Larry the boss]

Just a ****** suggestion altogether

[Larry the boss]

Floyd Mayweather Sr? whos he trained other than his son?

He is the former trainer of top light heavyweight Chad Dawson, former two division champion Joan Guzmán and women's champion Laila Ali. He is well known for his stint as Oscar De La Hoya's trainer from 2001 through 2006.

[Eff Pandas]

Statistically, boxing is alrady one of the safest of all sports. But I guess that's because a certain degree of injury is inevitable in a sport which involves highly trained athletes punching each other in the head for long periods. So most of the damage/injuries boxers pick up doesn't even get reported and logged, as it would be in other sports.

I definitely don't believe boxing is one of the safest of all sports. Most of the stats I've seen about how dangerous or safe a sport in don't even take into account how many people are competing only the numbers of injuries themselve, which is the problem with the father/son training stats that I've seen. You need a injury per 100k participants or deaths per 100k participants type numbers.

Boxing is FOR SURE one of the most dangerous sports. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs to consider that there are only about 20,000 professional boxers in the world & usually a few of them die every year. How many NBA guys are dying after a game each year? How many NFL guys are dying on the field?

So I think the severity of injury isn't in play in most of these stats nor the overall participants at each level of the sport.

And I also don't think the brain injury in boxers that take place over years & years & aren't even known about in real time are even a consideration. That would also make the NFL among the most dangerous sports even if they don't have as many in competition deaths as boxing has. But I think you get my point on why the "boxing is one of the safest sports" thing is bs.

[iamboxing]

Trying to show the WBC is sensitive and progressive.

[kafkod]

I definitely don't believe boxing is one of the safest of all sports. Most of the stats I've seen about how dangerous or safe a sport in don't even take into account how many people are competing only the numbers of injuries themselve, which is the problem with the father/son training stats that I've seen. You need a injury per 100k participants or deaths per 100k participants type numbers.

Boxing is FOR SURE one of the most dangerous sports. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs to consider that there are only about 20,000 professional boxers in the world & usually a few of them die every year. How many NBA guys are dying after a game each year? How many NFL guys are dying on the field?

So I think the severity of injury isn't in play in most of these stats nor the overall participants at each level of the sport.

And I also don't think the brain injury in boxers that take place over years & years & aren't even known about in real time are even a consideration. That would also make the NFL among the most dangerous sports even if they don't have as many in competition deaths as boxing has. But I think you get my point on why the "boxing is one of the safest sports" thing is bs.

This a link to an article I first read a couple of years ago. It used to have a table comparing deaths and injuries in boxing to those in other sports. The table is gone now, but this an extract from the article:

"Above is a table illustrating a few examples of the dangers that other sports can carry per participants in country’s such as Norway, Germany and USA alone.

Not mentioned above is horse-riding, proven to be one of the most dangerous sports anyone can partake in with on average over 100 deaths per year in the USA and 80,000 hospital admissions – 15% of which are reported as head injuries. In the UK it is estimated that horse-riding accounts for 3% of all spinal injuries reported in hospitals.

Conversely, boxing (according to Livestrong.com) has accounted for, on average, 10 deaths per year since the early 1900’s – far lower than horse-riding, skiing, and many other sports (on a worldwide basis) that are not constantly questioned for their barbarity or danger."

https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2...er-than-11721/

But, as I mentioned before, boxers take injuries like cuts, bruises, minor concussions and headaches, as part and parcel of the sport, and don't even bother reporting most of it to a doctor. And I know that from my own experience competing as an amateur.

And the real danger, cumulative brain damage, often doesn't show up till they have retired.

Earlier this year I watched a feature on UK TV about the Benn/McClellan fight, with footage of the fight and the build up and Benn giving his comments on it. He said something about boxing being a very dangerous sport, and thanking God every day that he got out of it with his health and faculties intact.

But listening to Nigel speak, and comparing him to the young Nigel in the footage, it was painfully obvious that he was wrong about that ... boxing had taken it's toll on him too.

[Eff Pandas]

This a link to an article I first read a couple of years ago. It used to have a table comparing deaths and injuries in boxing to those in other sports. The table is gone now, but this an extract from the article:

"Above is a table illustrating a few examples of the dangers that other sports can carry per participants in country’s such as Norway, Germany and USA alone.

Not mentioned above is horse-riding, proven to be one of the most dangerous sports anyone can partake in with on average over 100 deaths per year in the USA and 80,000 hospital admissions – 15% of which are reported as head injuries. In the UK it is estimated that horse-riding accounts for 3% of all spinal injuries reported in hospitals.

Conversely, boxing (according to Livestrong.com) has accounted for, on average, 10 deaths per year since the early 1900’s – far lower than horse-riding, skiing, and many other sports (on a worldwide basis) that are not constantly questioned for their barbarity or danger."

https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2...er-than-11721/

The person who wrote that article is a idiot.

You can't say how dangerous something is without taking into account how many people are doing said activity. That dummy said ~100 people die on horses each year & ~10 people die in boxing so boxing is safer lmfao.

Okay, but how many people are riding horses each year & how many people are boxing? I know there are about 20,000 active boxers at any given time since I'm a boxrec dork. Maybe boxrec is missing some guys, but more or less I believe that number to be accurate. Now how many people are riding horses per year? Well according to a quick google search its 7M people. I'm not sure if thats worldwide or just in America. But w/e.

From the numbers brought forth that means 100 people outta 7,000,000 (or 1 in 70,000) die because of riding horses & 10 outta 20,000 (or 1 in 2,000) die because of boxing each year. Now tell me which one you think is more likely to kill you if you happened to be a horse riding boxer in any given year?

But, as I mentioned before, boxers take injuries like cuts, bruises, minor concussions and headaches, as part and parcel of the sport, and don't even bother reporting most of it to a doctor. And I know that from my own experience competing as an amateur.

And the real danger, cumulative brain damage, often doesn't show up till they have retired.

Earlier this year I watched a feature on UK TV about the Benn/McClellan fight, with footage of the fight and the build up and Benn giving his comments on it. He said something about boxing being a very dangerous sport, and thanking God every day that he got out of it with his health and faculties intact.

But listening to Nigel speak, and comparing him to the young Nigel in the footage, it was painfully obvious that he was wrong about that ... boxing had taken it's toll on him too.

Definitely. The effects of any sport where brain injury is a regular part of "safely" competing in said sport is gonna have residual injuries.

[P4Pdunny]

this would be a silly ruling, but this guy is a genuine tool so wouldn't put it past him